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    Quicksilver

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    Sore back

    Post by Quicksilver on Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:56 pm

    'Ello all,

    I have had a bad back for a few months now and it seems to be getting progressively worse. My lower back in particular is uncomfortable most of the time, of late higher and towards my shoulders as well, and after a few particular minor injuries in training (which I ignored) it is becoming a genuine hindrance. Not training for five days for other reasons didn't significantly improve it. It is difficult to pinpoint precisely what is sore; my spine itself in general seems to be particularly when under pressure or when I am twisting to escape from a hold (and more recently, simply rolling), and as I sit writing this my whole mid to lower back is uncomfortable.

    So I am looking for recommendations. Any suggestions of things that might help would be very much appreciated, please? Smile 

    Regards,

    -QS


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    Re: Sore back

    Post by Cichorei Kano on Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:11 am

    Quicksilver wrote:'Ello all,

    I have had a bad back for a few months now and it seems to be getting progressively worse. My lower back in particular is uncomfortable most of the time, of late higher and towards my shoulders as well, and after a few particular minor injuries in training (which I ignored) it is becoming a genuine hindrance. Not training for five days for other reasons didn't significantly improve it. It is difficult to pinpoint precisely what is sore; my spine itself in general seems to be particularly when under pressure or when I am twisting to escape from a hold (and more recently, simply rolling), and as I sit writing this my whole mid to lower back is uncomfortable.

    So I am looking for recommendations. Any suggestions of things that might help would be very much appreciated, please? Smile 

    Regards,

    -QS
    There are generally two possibilities. Each have a different approach. The two possibilities are:

    1. Something is anatomically wrong with your spine, and you have either pain or no pain.
    2. Something is not anatomically wrong with your spine, and you have pain (the option of nothing being wrong and not having any pain is not really worth considering).

    I will now further elaborate on either option.

    1. If #1 applies the it is important to diagnose what is anatomically wrong. An example of something being anatomically wrong is a hernia, spondylolysis, spondylolisthesis.A quick likely/not likely diagnosis of something being anatomically wrong can be made through palpation, visual and X-rays. A more in-dept diagnosis of what precisely is wrong necessitates MRI or CT-Scan. If #1 applies, then your case is serious enough that you require individual advice from a qualified physician who can actually examine you, your medical record and take medical responsibility for you. These case are not frequent, but they do happen in judo. To give you some ball park, I have two people in my club who have a diagnosed hernia, they are between 40-65 years of age; one was a superb competitive judoka and very supple, the other wasn't either. One got the injury through judo, the other did not. I also have one club member who had a broken spine; the reason was not judo but horseback riding.

    2. #2 occurs with certain regularity in judo. In this case there is nothing anatomically wrong in the sense of breaks, cracks or tears in any structure whether it be muscle, bone, tendons, ligaments or anything, and there is no imminent danger to your health. Why does this occur and what actually happens ? Due to a certain movement, cold, cramp or nervous reaction, a muscle goes in spasmic contraction, the body responds, and a vicious circle is established where there really isn't anything wrong, but the presence of A causes B, and the fact that B is present causes A. Medically this condition is not serious in terms of danger, but it can be very serious in terms of pain, to the extent that you cannot move. Theoretically this can be simple to treat From the moment you can instantaneously sever the link, the circle may break and the problem may be gone. There is a likelihood that this is what you are having, but ... only a qualified board-certified (or equivalent in your country) physician can safely and responsibly establish that diagnoses. Nothing or very little would be visible on X-rays. treatment is manipulation through a chiropractor, acupuncture, or drugs. My personal preference would be to find an excellent chiropractor. One or a couple of sessions depending on how serious the spasms are and how long you've had them may be sufficient. Because of your age (--which I am estimating from factors, but not mentioning in protection of your privacy--), it is more likely that you are suffering from the second option than from the first. Apart from getting rid of the problem it is worthwhile reflecting on how prone you are to this problem. If you are you may wish to devote consideration to how you sleep and the quality of your bed and mattress; if doing so, please be careful for the many clichés that exist about this; it is, for example, not true that a hard bed is good for your back.

    Good luck !!


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    Re: Sore back

    Post by Quicksilver on Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:41 am

    Good evening,

    Thank you for your response, CK sensei. Smile Sorry it took me this long to get back to this; it was in no part due to disregard, but that due to other distracting circumstances I had no new information 'till recently and so elected to wait.

    An x-ray of my thoracic and lumbar spine came back clear aside from mild rotational dextroscoliosis. The GP is unsure what is causing the problem but is of the opinion that the persistent ache in my lower back and more injury-like pain in my mid spine are two separate issues, and that the scoliosis might not be the direct cause of either. She suggested that I see a physiotherapist a few times and that if that doesn't help, to come back and she'd refer me to a sports physician.

    I do wonder whether I shouldn't just accredit this to the same hypermobile dodginess that all my joints seem to exhibit... Neutral 

    With gratitude and regards,


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    Re: Sore back

    Post by Tai-Jutsu on Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:41 am


    In the Kettlebell/Fitness world I am part of this book has a lot of enodrsers and a lot of people I knw have heped themselves out by following his advice or it lead them to get further examination to find and fix the problem.


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    As for me I am super lucky and my back is fine, so first hand I can't say but again I know a lot of people who want to kiss this man on the lips because he helped them get back to the weights and their other prefered activities. (1 Judoka I know and a Karateka as well.)

    Some of what he says sounds like CK above.

    Hope you get it taekn care of.
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    Re: Sore back

    Post by Cichorei Kano on Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:16 pm

    Quicksilver wrote:Good evening,

    Thank you for your response, CK sensei. Smile Sorry it took me this long to get back to this; it was in no part due to disregard, but that due to other distracting circumstances I had no new information 'till recently and so elected to wait.

    An x-ray of my thoracic and lumbar spine came back clear aside from mild rotational dextroscoliosis. The GP is unsure what is causing the problem but is of the opinion that the persistent ache in my lower back and more injury-like pain in my mid spine are two separate issues, and that the scoliosis might not be the direct cause of either. She suggested that I see a physiotherapist a few times and that if that doesn't help, to come back and she'd refer me to a sports physician.

    I do wonder whether I shouldn't just accredit this to the same hypermobile dodginess that all my joints seem to exhibit... Neutral 

    With gratitude and regards,


    QS
    As suggested, option #2 is very likely present in your case. If I may, without interfering with anything, visit a chiropractor with a good reputation. It has now been established that there are no breaks of cracks and assuming you do not are not imminently at risk (all of the following factors present: young female, lengthy periods of no menstruation, very skinny, eating disorder: please do NOT respond to this, you'll know for yourself) for the chiropractor by simple an innocent manipulation causing a break, you might get much more and much quicker benefit than from physiotherapist when we are talking spines. Your problem may be gone when you walk out of his/her office.


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    Re: Sore back

    Post by Quicksilver on Sun Oct 06, 2013 12:10 am

    Thanks for the recommendations, Tai-Jutsu, CK, I will certainly give them consideration. Smile 

    Regards.


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