Hanon wrote:I would have to ask you though from what knowledge base can you hold to make an assessment of senior ranks such as those who wear kohaku obi?
I realize this is an exception and almost certainly not the norm, but sadly I have been on the tatami with one holder of a kohaku obi whose general deportment probably did allow those with almost almost no judo knowledge to make a reasonable assessment of his knowledge base. It was a small, independent splinter federation - still, quite sad.
Indeed. I also know a small number of high ranks, some very senior who are questionable. Point is they are the exception to the rule and I have 52 years of experienced well founded and rounded judo knowledge under my obi to asses. I find it absurd that an orange belt with two years judo should pass a comment about a senior rank. I guess this is a cultural concept.
I just fail to see with what knowledge a low kyu rank can posses to make such an evaluation I mean he doesn't even know the difference between shiai and randori!
In relation to shiai and randori. As a young buck of say san dan I have made shiai with kohaku ranks and was able to throw them (I didn't I just lifted them, due to their age) Point is, in general, though not always, by the time most of us mortals reach 6th dan we are rather old for shiai with young blooded dan ranks. If I attempted at my age to shiai with my dan grades I know the outcome. If they could not throw me I would question THEIR rank and NOT mine.
Most senior ranks are well past their better days of shiai. At my age I would be horrified to find I could still play with lower dan ranks?
Please also note there is a great difference in randori and shiai. In randori I used to let myself get thrown all over the mat by every one I fought. There is no winner
in randori its practice
. If at the end of the session sensei would call "Shiai". That became a very different story.
In general though my peers can and do debate higher ranks, in general there are not that many who are totally useless unless they belong to an association that has poor quality control and they are also the exceptions even though in some countries, like the UK for example, where there are numerous independent associations. Some of those independents have very good quality though not all.
If we are going to hold prowess in randori and shiai as the marking stick how would our present highly respected and worthy 10th dans hold up, jeez these master are all in there mid 80's!
If you want to asses a dan grade of seniority take a look at his pupils and how they perform.
Please don't blacken all kohaku ranks because there are some of questionable value. Most I know have worked incredibly hard to achieve such a rank.
It would be wiser to be graded oneself by a YDSK than a MDSK.