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    Rousey v Tate 2 full fight - A1 Judo dislay

    Post by Ricebale on Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:04 pm

    http://fightvideo.mma77.com/2013/12/rousey-vs-tate-2.html

    Best Judo I've seen in MMA

    15 mins long and a good watch

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    Re: Rousey v Tate 2 full fight - A1 Judo dislay

    Post by afulldeck on Tue Dec 31, 2013 2:04 am

    It was great. Ronda definitely had Meisha's number. But what I found amazing was that she started the fight with a sutemi. Who does that in MMA.....


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    Re: Rousey v Tate 2 full fight - A1 Judo dislay

    Post by JFTW on Tue Dec 31, 2013 4:15 am

    afulldeck wrote:It was great. Ronda definitely had Meisha's number. But what I found amazing was that she started the fight with a sutemi. Who does that in MMA.....

    Not only did she start the fight with a Sumi Gaeshi variant, she ended the fight with same throw as well. (Sequence that ended with the Juji Gatame submission started with a Sumi Gaeshi).
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    Re: Rousey v Tate 2 full fight - A1 Judo dislay

    Post by Davaro on Tue Dec 31, 2013 5:39 am

    I like (almost) everything about her. It was a good fight and I think she dominated all aspects of the fight. Even the stand-up bits. She takes a good punch as well it seems. And also a good up-kick that almost took her head off. If she admits it, she was lucky there... was a bit dumb to hang her jaw like that standing over Tate..

    I just think her attitude sucks a tad (and seems most of the crowd thought so too) - Playing at being the ultimate tough-chick has its drawbacks I suppose.

    * Please don't crucify me, I am not a hater. I just personally don't enjoy the personality she has become which is probably just marketing hype anyway. I don't "hope she gets her (cute) ass kicked so she can learn a lesson" - I hope she carries on winning and also hope she one day gets a crack at Cyborg, and that she beats her as well.

    Best of luck to Ronda

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    Post by Ricebale on Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:54 am

    Yes, what I meant by best Judo in MMA was the maximum efficiency display of the throws, very nicely executedcand she landed them well, it peevs me when Judoka do a perfect ippon and then roll through, so useless for combat, ronda nailed her throws though and made them stick.

    In a technical note I advise Judo dudes to look at the nage no kata when considering combat as imo it's a handy little collection of techs and principles for combat especially against wrestling, Ronda uses a similar underhook or overhook fashion to execute close body contact throws which differ from common long arm competition throws.

    As for her attitude she didn't display any of this to other opponents which leads me to believe it was personal to Tate.

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    Re: Rousey v Tate 2 full fight - A1 Judo dislay

    Post by Ricebale on Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:41 pm

    Davaro wrote:I like (almost) everything about her. It was a good fight and I think she dominated all aspects of the fight. Even the stand-up bits. She takes a good punch as well it seems. And also a good up-kick that almost took her head off. If she admits it, she was lucky there... was a bit dumb to hang her jaw like that standing over Tate..

    I just think her attitude sucks a tad (and seems most of the crowd thought so too) - Playing at being the ultimate tough-chick has its drawbacks I suppose.

    * Please don't crucify me, I am not a hater. I just personally don't enjoy the personality she has become which is probably just marketing hype anyway. I don't "hope she gets her (cute) ass kicked so she can learn a lesson" - I hope she carries on winning and also hope she one day gets a crack at Cyborg, and that she beats her as well.

    Best of luck to Ronda

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    Imo Sara Mcmann and Holly Holme pose greater challenges than Cyborg as they are technically sound, Cyborg loopy hooks would play into the clinch too easy
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    Post by Glorfindel on Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:41 am

    Great performance by Rousey.

    Her striking have improved a lot. Now she didnt turn the head when she get hit and she took a couples of hard shots.

    Tate caught her a little bit to often with his left hook me think, but like i said, her striking is going pretty well.

    Her attitude is dumb, like i said numerous time,  but she's young and likes to play the 'bad girl'...

    I dont agree with you Ricebale, Cyborg is more well rounded than both Macmann and Holmes. Rousey is a nightmare match-up for Holmes (striker vs grappler) and i Mcmann dont have a good sub game or dangerous Gnp, Ronda will submit both of them.

    She's a tough chick, look at the face plant in the 7th gifs, very hard landing : http://artofgrappling.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/168-7a.gif

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    Post by banpreso on Wed Jan 01, 2014 4:25 pm

    saw the fight. the throws ronda did were absolute wet dreams
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    Post by Ricebale on Wed Jan 01, 2014 6:44 pm

    Glorfindel wrote:Great performance by Rousey.

    Her striking have improved a lot. Now she didnt turn the head when she get hit and she took a couples of hard shots.

    Tate caught her a little bit to often with his left hook me think, but like i said, her striking is going pretty well.

    Her attitude is dumb, like i said numerous time,  but she's young and likes to play the 'bad girl'...

    I dont agree with you Ricebale, Cyborg is more well rounded than both Macmann and Holmes. Rousey is a nightmare match-up for Holmes (striker vs grappler) and i Mcmann dont have a good sub game or dangerous Gnp, Ronda will submit both of them.

    She's a tough chick, look at the face plant in the 7th gifs, very hard landing : http://artofgrappling.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/168-7a.gif

    $5 McMann takes Rousey down more times than the reverse, however I agree the sub defence will be the deciding factor. McMann strikes better than Rousey, I pick sub 2nd round or it will go the distance to McMann to win 50/50. I'm excited by this fight though, olympic medalists fighting!!!

    Holmes on the feet blitzes Rousey but loses to the sub, low percentage tko chance 20% ish imo

    Cyborg needs to lose too much weight in muscle to drop down therebyvnegating her strength advatage, plus miay thai tactics don't work too well against rousey style judo, also cyborgs wrestling is power but no skill, low percentage chance of tko though imo % 15
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    Post by Glorfindel on Thu Jan 02, 2014 3:06 am

    Ricebale wrote:
    Glorfindel wrote:Great performance by Rousey.

    Her striking have improved a lot. Now she didnt turn the head when she get hit and she took a couples of hard shots.

    Tate caught her a little bit to often with his left hook me think, but like i said, her striking is going pretty well.

    Her attitude is dumb, like i said numerous time,  but she's young and likes to play the 'bad girl'...

    I dont agree with you Ricebale, Cyborg is more well rounded than both Macmann and Holmes. Rousey is a nightmare match-up for Holmes (striker vs grappler) and i Mcmann dont have a good sub game or dangerous Gnp, Ronda will submit both of them.

    She's a tough chick, look at the face plant in the 7th gifs, very hard landing : http://artofgrappling.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/168-7a.gif

    $5 McMann takes Rousey down more times than the reverse, however I agree the sub defence will be the deciding factor. McMann strikes better than Rousey, I pick sub 2nd round or it will go the distance to McMann to win 50/50. I'm excited by this fight though, olympic medalists fighting!!!

    Holmes on the feet blitzes Rousey but loses to the sub, low percentage tko chance 20% ish imo

    Cyborg needs to lose too much weight in muscle to drop down therebyvnegating her strength advatage, plus miay thai tactics don't work too well against rousey style judo, also cyborgs wrestling is power but no skill, low percentage chance of tko though imo % 15

    Did you watch Mcmann fights?? It's far to be impressive. I bet you one virtual $ that Rousey will go trough her as easily as Tate ;-) , i'm more 80/20 for Ronda.

    Holmes only got the puncher chance, i agree with you that's about 15-20%
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    Post by Ricebale on Thu Jan 02, 2014 7:18 am



    It's more the wrestlers base and ankle picks that would frustrate Rousey rather than spectacular, harder to do the above throw, which is beautiful, on a person who knows how to shoot.

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    Re: Rousey v Tate 2 full fight - A1 Judo dislay

    Post by afulldeck on Thu Jan 02, 2014 3:50 pm

    Ricebale wrote:
    Glorfindel wrote:Great performance by Rousey.

    Her striking have improved a lot. Now she didnt turn the head when she get hit and she took a couples of hard shots.

    Tate caught her a little bit to often with his left hook me think, but like i said, her striking is going pretty well.

    Her attitude is dumb, like i said numerous time,  but she's young and likes to play the 'bad girl'...

    I dont agree with you Ricebale, Cyborg is more well rounded than both Macmann and Holmes. Rousey is a nightmare match-up for Holmes (striker vs grappler) and i Mcmann dont have a good sub game or dangerous Gnp, Ronda will submit both of them.

    She's a tough chick, look at the face plant in the 7th gifs, very hard landing : http://artofgrappling.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/168-7a.gif

    $5 McMann takes Rousey down more times than the reverse, however I agree the sub defence will be the deciding factor. McMann strikes better than Rousey, I pick sub 2nd round or it will go the distance to McMann to win 50/50. I'm excited by this fight though, olympic medalists fighting!!!

    Holmes on the feet blitzes Rousey but loses to the sub, low percentage tko chance 20% ish imo

    Cyborg needs to lose too much weight in muscle to drop down therebyvnegating her strength advatage, plus miay thai tactics don't work too well against rousey style judo, also cyborgs wrestling is power but no skill, low percentage chance of tko though imo % 15

    McMann takes Rousey down more times? I don't think so. McMann may be a former olympic wrestler but doesn't have Rousey's strength or skill. In her fight against Baszler she looked lethargic hardly a challenge for the next level. Rousey will us any momentum that McMann generates against her just as she did against Tate.


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    Post by Cichorei Kano on Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:08 am

    Uchi-mata twice in round 1 at -01:45 and -00:55, harai-goshi at-04:27 in round 2, and ô-goshi at -02:35 in round 2. Improved debana and control and experience that also would pay off if ever she'd decide to return to Olympic judo. But then, she should not wait too long (anymore).

    Opponent Tate stood her 'woman', had trained well against avoiding armbars against an armbar specialist, and it was only when fatigue started to play an important role that defense started to slack. Luckily she was also smart and tapped out in time instead of letting her arm being destroyed.

    I do not know the rules or cult of MMA, but I note a handshake was refused towards the end ? Have players addressed the rationale, is there symbolism ? In jûdô one strictly could refuse to do so without intending any offence as it isn't really part of the reigi and one could legitimately argue that the bowing includes all the respect and acknowledgement necessary in line with Japanese culture. No further comments or speculations from me, it just seems to me that even non-MMA specialists or enthusiasts would note, or am I seeing this totally wrong ?


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    Post by Davaro on Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:22 am

    Cichorei Kano wrote:

    I do not know the rules or cult of MMA, but I note a handshake was refused towards the end ?  Have players addressed the rationale, is there symbolism ?   In jûdô one strictly could refuse to do so without intending any offence as it isn't really part of the reigi and one could legitimately argue that the bowing includes all the respect and acknowledgement necessary in line with Japanese culture. No further comments or speculations from me, it just seems to me that even non-MMA specialists or enthusiasts would note, or am I seeing this totally wrong ?

    From a Judo perspective you are of course 100% correct. (although I personally get a bit miffed if someone refuses my shake and the end of the match)

    However, I don't believe this to be the case in MMA. In an interview after the fight, Rousey said that the reason she did not shake hands or show respect was due to Tata apparently "dissing" her family. Rousey said something along the lines of "I wont shake hands with someone that spits on your back" or something of that nature....


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    Post by Glorfindel on Fri Jan 03, 2014 1:29 am

    Not only from judo perspective, mma is Mixed Martial Arts, the notion of respect should be taught in any respectable mma dojo.

    99% of the time, mma fighters shake hands after the fight, even if there was 'grudge' or animosity between the opponents.

    You just have to listen at the reaction of the crowd to Rousey's behaviour to understand that is not the norm to act like that.

    95% of mma fan/coach/fighter dont like Rousey's attitude, go on popular mma forum and see by yourself if you dont believe me.

    Rousey is trying to hard to be the bad girl of mma.
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    Post by Cichorei Kano on Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:28 am


    Thanks for the link, Fritz, and to Dr. A, for clarifying in the blog.


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    Post by Glorfindel on Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:00 am

    You should also see the last 'ultimate fighter' season, nice behaviour by Ronda too.
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    Post by Ricebale on Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:17 am

    Cichorei Kano wrote:

    Thanks for the link, Fritz, and to Dr. A, for clarifying in the blog.

    Some of her behaviour I find disappointing. I'm a fan of technical excellence in mma, Ronda delivers this in some aspects of her matches so impresses me greatly.

    As mma is an entertainment enterprise Ronda has to be very careful not to alienate herself from the broader fan base ie the money, however I note she has not treated any of her previous ipponents like this so in my view it is an anomaly. I anticipate, as much as I can any 26yrold female mind, a very different aspect of her personality in the next matchband lead up.
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    Post by Ricebale on Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:35 am



    This vid is 5 months old but interesting still.

    Shows footage of Rondas judo matches and mma fights, I agree with the enlightenment of the statement above that the debana has improved since leaving Judo and the olympics, quite possibly she would do well if she gsvevit another run. I put this down to the ability to now train full time whilst being paid and the focus is specifically on throwing the body of the opponents AND keeping absolute control on landing.

    The vid also shows the endemic judoka weakness to ankle picks, this is very common imo and hard to adapt due to the strengths of the judoka stance are vulnerable to thus attack especially (I hate ankle picks as I get done by them on the most frequent basis of any attack)

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    Post by Stacey on Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:52 am

    I find it pretty funny; people complain about the hand slap at the beginning of a match and how it's not necessary and people can (and have) taken advantage of it. It's not in the rules, yet people complaint about doing it.

    Now, somebody doesn't shake a hand after a fight and people are complaining even though the handshake isn't in the rules.

    Judoka complain of the handshake (or worse, a hug!) that follows a bow after a judo match because it's redundant. Hm. The bow to your opponent is tradition and part of the rules; the handshake (or hug) isn't.

    Get over it. Let her be who she is. I still love her as a fighter, judoka, and person. I was pleased to see such a clinic on judo technique in MMA application in this particular fight. I was also very happy to see that Ronda's boxing, kicks, and knees have improved and are becoming much more natural.

    As for the handshake? pft. Non-issue.
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    Post by Ricebale on Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:37 pm

    Stacey wrote:I was pleased to see such a clinic on judo technique in MMA application in this particular fight.  I was also very happy to see that Ronda's boxing, kicks, and knees have improved and are becoming much more natural.

    Great advert for Judo I thought, the execution of some of those throws was by far the most definitive exhibition of certainty of any Judoka in MMA I've seen

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    Post by JakubMB on Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:59 pm

    Much better that Karo Parysian IMO
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    Post by Glorfindel on Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:14 pm

    Stacey wrote:I find it pretty funny; people complain about the hand slap at the beginning of a match and how it's not necessary and people can (and have) taken advantage of it.  It's not in the rules, yet people complaint about doing it.

    Now, somebody doesn't shake a hand after a fight and people are complaining even though the handshake isn't in the rules.

    Judoka complain of the handshake (or worse, a hug!) that follows a bow after a judo match because it's redundant.  Hm. The bow to your opponent is tradition and part of the rules; the handshake (or hug) isn't.

    Get over it.  Let her be who she is.  I still love her as a fighter, judoka, and person.  I was pleased to see such a clinic on judo technique in MMA application in this particular fight.  I was also very happy to see that Ronda's boxing, kicks, and knees have improved and are becoming much more natural.

    As for the handshake? pft.  Non-issue.

    Sportsmanship.

    And you miss all the ultimate fighter show, were his behavious was not the best too.

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