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    Kôdôkgakusha Kids Jûdô Cramming School's pedagogical approach

    Post by Cichorei Kano on Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:43 am

    Initially I was thinking of putting this video in the Yûdanshakai section but I think that perhaps comments should not be limited to blackbelts and sensei. It's video from the Kôdôgakusha a jûdô cramschool for talented kids. It mostly focuses on a severely overweight kids time there. In the title of the documentary he is referred to as a "cry baby".

    He gets the tough treatment. Including from some instructors.

    From a pedagogical and sports medical point view I think there is room for debate. Although I am personally a great advocate of Japanese style jûdô, I have some concerns about both the psychological well-being and the medical risks. When one is thàt overweight there are metabolic issues. Most Western specialist would advocate a change in lifestyle, nutrition, and regular aerobic exercise to bring him back to a more acceptable body mass.

    There is a huge risk for injury, certainly if adults are going to use their mature bodies and much higher force to compensate for his mere weight issues. He remains a kid. The fact that he is sometimes crying or in pain to me is not at all because he is a weakling. To drag such a mass around and even through minimal exercise will require a huge effort of his still immature body. It does seem that participating in competition contributes to a positive psychological development in terms of self-confidence, but that is generally the case in any sport as long as ... he is the one winning. But it also could turn out the other way and be one loss after another unable to win even a single fight in which case the overall effect would be even worse. But let's open the floor for people's opinions and views.



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    Re: Kôdôkgakusha Kids Jûdô Cramming School's pedagogical approach

    Post by tafftaz on Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:26 am

    Jesus..... the pick up and throw at 1.50 mins would be a lawsuit waiting to happen in the western world.
    I cannot see how a grown man throwing a child like that can have any serious benefit to the youngster.

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    Post by medo on Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:10 pm

    Motivation is not pounding or dragging a pupil to the ground I don't understand this. Bullying at its worst.
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    Post by Ricebale on Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:51 pm

    This vid had me at the beginning, fat kid crying always does it for me
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    Post by NBK on Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:04 am

    The 'kid', Akino Koji, now 24 or so, seems to have survived.  Here's pic of him in front of the Mikasa and Admiral Togo in Yokosuka.


    He is (or at least was) a judo instructor (OK, the most junior...) at this bonesetter / dojo in Saitama.  
    Kaida Seifukushi / Dojo, Saitama

    And apparently competed for years in high school.
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    Post by Ben Reinhardt on Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:35 am

    Cichorei Kano wrote:Initially I was thinking of putting this video in the Yûdanshakai section but I think that perhaps comments should not be limited to blackbelts and sensei. It's video from the Kôdôgakusha a jûdô cramschool for talented kids. It mostly focuses on a severely overweight kids time there. In the title of the documentary he is referred to as a "cry baby".

    He gets the tough treatment. Including from some instructors.

    From a pedagogical and sports medical point view I think there is room for debate. Although I am personally a great advocate of Japanese style jûdô, I have some concerns about both the psychological well-being and the medical risks. When one is thàt overweight there are metabolic issues. Most Western specialist would advocate a change in lifestyle, nutrition, and regular aerobic exercise to bring him back to a more acceptable body mass.

    There is a huge risk for injury, certainly if adults are going to use their mature bodies and much higher force to compensate for his mere weight issues. He remains a kid. The fact that he is sometimes crying or in pain to me is not at all because he is a weakling. To drag such a mass around and even through minimal exercise will require a huge effort of his still immature body. It does seem that participating in competition contributes to a positive psychological development in terms of self-confidence, but that is generally the case in any sport as long as ... he is the one winning. But it also could turn out the other way and be one loss after another unable to win even a single fight in which case the overall effect would be even worse. But let's open the floor for people's opinions and views.


    Talented as in academically rather than physically? Or both ? Obviously the overweight kid is not there for his physical talent...

    I don't speak Japanese, so I assume that parents send their kids to the school for some reason ? Because they are overweight or why else?

    To me, it seems like a massive (no pun intended) failure in parenting if they have to send their fat kids to be mercilessly beaten in order to lose weight. There are better ways to do that, one would think.

    But, it's Japan, and different culture than the west. I got the crap beat out me like that in Judo, but I was a willing participant and not physically...impaired.






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    Post by Tsurumaki on Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:30 pm

    I think the Kodogakusha has closed. It's just up the road from me.
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    Post by NBK on Tue Jan 28, 2014 7:31 pm

    Wiki says it shut down in 2012.
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    Post by Cichorei Kano on Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:50 pm

    NBK wrote:Wiki says it shut down in 2012.


    Dang, and I just wanted to send my fat 2-year old over there for some customized torturing ...


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    Post by Ben Reinhardt on Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:01 am

    Cichorei Kano wrote:
    NBK wrote:Wiki says it shut down in 2012.


    Dang, and I just wanted to send my fat 2-year old over there for some customized torturing ...

    I thought you were going to apply for an instructor position...
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    Post by Cichorei Kano on Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:00 pm

    Ben Reinhardt wrote:
    Cichorei Kano wrote:
    NBK wrote:Wiki says it shut down in 2012.


    Dang, and I just wanted to send my fat 2-year old over there for some customized torturing ...

    I thought you were going to apply for an instructor position...

     Very Happy 

    Thanks for the confidence, but, no, I cannot imagine ever hurting or bullying children.


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    Re: Kôdôkgakusha Kids Jûdô Cramming School's pedagogical approach

    Post by jkw on Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:18 am

    NBK wrote:Wiki says it shut down in 2012.

    Does anyone know why it closed?
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    Post by Ben Reinhardt on Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:22 am

    Cichorei Kano wrote:
    Ben Reinhardt wrote:
    Cichorei Kano wrote:
    NBK wrote:Wiki says it shut down in 2012.


    Dang, and I just wanted to send my fat 2-year old over there for some customized torturing ...

    I thought you were going to apply for an instructor position...

     Very Happy 

    Thanks for the confidence, but, no, I cannot imagine ever hurting or bullying children.

    I figured you would set those big bullies straight, not hurt kids.

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