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    Raj Venugopal

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    Pushed up the line

    Post by Raj Venugopal on Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:50 am

    Right after grading to shodan some of the nidans started pushing me up the line during bow in/out. I am in my 40s, and these guys are in their 20s. I resisted at first. Then one day one of the instructors said that this happened to him too, out of respect for his age, even though some other instructors outrank him by multiple dan. I no longer resist, and am honored by the sentiment. I am curious about what others have seen regarding this practice of lining up out of rank order whilst factoring in age.
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    Nic

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    Re: Pushed up the line

    Post by Nic on Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:52 am

    Interesting, I've only done it with my kids class. It would be OK in a class where the members are pretty consistent, but would make lining up longer in schools with frequent visitors. You'd have to quietly check the grade of any black belts & then check their age. Can you imagine being shoved up the line because you look old?!

    I can imagine some people would like it as a mark of repsect, and others would hate it because it would make them feel old.

    I don't care where I am in the line, as long as I don't embarrass myself by standing in the wrong place!
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    Steve Leadbeater

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    Re: Pushed up the line

    Post by Steve Leadbeater on Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:27 am

    There are a number of Dan grades who train regularly at Sydney Uni Judo Club,
    and at the end of our Saturday session we normally bow off to the highest grade
    on the mat...
    usually, Mr Peter Paige 5th Dan(Tokyo 1964 Olympian) or Mr Barry Johnson 4th Dan (Munich 1972 and Montreal 1976 Dual Olympian).........the rest of us jostle for a space in the line up always looking for another Dan grade who is older to stand on our right side.....it gets somewhat interesting when at 58 years of age , I am still one of the relatively "Junior Dans".
    I find it easier to stand to the right of the nearest Brown belt and let every other Dan grade arrange themselves as befitting rank and seniority.
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    icb

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    Re: Pushed up the line

    Post by icb on Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:45 pm

    The line up of instructors at my club does not go strictly by grade or age. It is primarily based on how long the person has been instructing at the club, with rank and age as secondary factors.

    tafftaz

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    Re: Pushed up the line

    Post by tafftaz on Fri Aug 08, 2014 11:54 am

    As long as I have practised judo, we have always lined up by grade at our club. Even before I took over when my sensei retired.
    If I visit any other club I stand amongst all the other dan grades.
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    JudoSensei

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    Re: Pushed up the line

    Post by JudoSensei on Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:26 am

    If you are honored by being pushed up the line due to your age, just think how honored the higher ranks will be when you respectfully decline and show the appropriate honor to their rank. Among adults in judo, rank is more important than age. Your rank is only honored when you honor the others. On the mat we respect those of higher rank even if age, size, social class or other factors would change the relationship off the mat. It may have been fine to move up the line for a class if they wanted to honor your achievement in joining the yudansha, but continuing it seems a bit odd to me and I would slip back to where you belong as soon as you can. You don't really want people looking up to you like you are a higher rank than you are just because of your age. Enjoy being a shodan for a while.

    Of course, customs and everything else might be different where you are, so this is just based on my experience. I don't think you can go wrong with being proud of your age and rank, but humble enough to know your place in class.
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    Jonesy

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    Re: Pushed up the line

    Post by Jonesy on Sun Aug 10, 2014 7:43 pm

    So what do we make of this line then?  Left to right: Murata 8 dan, Chiba 9 dan, Daigo 10 dan, Okamoto 9 dan. Daigo-sensei is standing the closest to joseki and Kano-shihan's empty chair, but I must confess it looked a bit odd when I first saw it.

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    JudoSensei

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    Re: Pushed up the line

    Post by JudoSensei on Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:05 am

    I doubt if Okamoto is standing there because he is the oldest.
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    Reinberger

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    Re: Pushed up the line

    Post by Reinberger on Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:20 am

    Jonesy wrote:So what do we make of this line then?  Left to right: Murata 8 dan, Chiba 9 dan, Daigo 10 dan, Okamoto 9 dan.  Daigo-sensei is standing the closest to joseki and Kano-shihan's empty chair, but I must confess it looked a bit odd when I first saw it.

    A line of sensei, with the highest ranking person, a judan, in the "center", flanked by two kudan, and a hachidan at one end seems to be pretty understandable to me. May I ask, why that "looked a bit odd" at first? Do you think a lining up of several sensei has to follow the same rules as the lining up of the participating deshi?


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