E-Judo

Judo network and forum


    Kata recording from a couple of decades back

    Share
    avatar
    Cichorei Kano

    Posts : 1948
    Join date : 2013-01-16
    Age : 857
    Location : the Holy See

    Kata recording from a couple of decades back

    Post by Cichorei Kano on Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:48 am

    The following is an interesting recording which contains a part demonstration of nage-no-kata and one of kime-no-kata. It isn't exactly clear when it was recorded, but I assume it dates back probably to somewhere around 1980. The kata by no means are free of errors, but that is not the reason for posting them. I think they are interesting because when wondering how kata today has become so artificial. Here are just a couple of things to look for:

    - In nage-no-kata, the awkard delay that is so common today, where the uke is put on your shoulders while tori holds him there and waits for something to occur ... is no where present in this demo. Indeed, when kata-guruma was still performed as a guruma, there obviously was no pause in the throw. What they do today makes no sense.

    - In both the nage- and kime-no-kata the annoying constant adjustment of the gi is nowhere to be found. I think there is one instance in kime-no-kata where uke adjusts his gi here, but all in all the constant adjustment is not there. Why is it that jûdôka in the 1970s and 1980s could perform and entire kata without having to adjust their gi whereas today the average jûdôka cannot without adjusting his gi after every technique.

    - In kime-no-kata, the awkward posing which has become some strange standard today, is still completely absent.



    _________________


    "The world is a republic of mediocrities, and always was." (Thomas Carlyle)
    "Nothing is as approved as mediocrity, the majority has established it and it fixes it fangs on whatever gets beyond it either way." (Blaise Pascal)
    "Quand on essaie, c'est difficile. Quand on n'essaie pas, c'est impossible" (Guess Who ?)
    "I am never wrong. Once I thought I was, and that was a mistake."
    avatar
    noboru

    Posts : 593
    Join date : 2013-08-26
    Age : 39
    Location : Czech Republic

    Demonstration of Nage no kata from Olympic Games 1964 Tokio

    Post by noboru on Tue Aug 12, 2014 7:57 am

    Interesting points from CK.

    I have next examples:

    Demonstration of Nage no kata from Olympic Games 1964 Tokio
    From 0:47 Toshiro Daigo (7.dan in this time) and  S. Matsushita (then 5.dan).

    It is very dynamic. Kata guruma performed as a guruma too, very strong throwing, sequence after Tomoe Nage and Ura nage is very short and very dynamic.

    NAGE NO KATA Kodokan


    Next example:
    Old demonstration of Nage no kata - from 0:59
    Tori: S.Nagaoka 8.dan
    Uke: K.Murakami 5.dan
    Kodokan Judo: NAGE-NO-KATA (Full Film)


    You can see very quick performance, no breaks between waza, lighty adjustment judogi, Uchimata is truly ashi waza (without hips), old reiho.

    May be someone find next points.
    avatar
    makoto

    Posts : 13
    Join date : 2014-05-08

    Re: Kata recording from a couple of decades back

    Post by makoto on Tue Aug 12, 2014 7:32 pm

    Even Hirano and the tori in the nage no kata of Mifune make no pause at kata guruma.

    Hirano


    Mifune


    _________________
    "Sometimes you win - sometimes you learn.", book title by John C. Maxwell

    Sponsored content

    Re: Kata recording from a couple of decades back

    Post by Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:35 am