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    Shodan

    Post by Davaro on Thu Aug 14, 2014 6:54 am

    So, below is our federations requirements for testing for shodan.

    This post was inspired by some comments made by NBK in another thread and what the shodan requirement is in Japan.

    Thought I would throw this open for comment...

    I am sure you will find it rather easy...  Twisted Evil 

    (Minimum age 16 years’ old, minimum points 100, minimum time since 1st Kyu must be 1 year)
    1 NAGE-NO-KATA
    The candidate must perform the full Nage-no-Kata as Tori and as Uke
    2 OFFICIAL KYU GRADE SYLLABUS:
    The candidate will be tested on his knowledge and understanding of the official Kyu grade syllabus
    3 NAGE WAZA:
    3.1 IK-KYO (First group) FROM GO-KYO
    • Throws and names must be known in the correct sequence.
    3.1.1 DE-ASHI-BARAI
    3.1.2 HIZA- GURUMA
    3.1.3 SASAE-TSURI-KOMI-ASHI
    3.1.4 UKI-GOSHI
    3.1.5 O-SOTO-GARI
    3.1.6 O-GOSHI
    3.1.7 O-UCHI-GARI
    3.1.8 SEOI-NAGE
    The above mentioned techniques must be executed in movement. Kuzushi, Tsukuri and Kake when demonstrating must be clearly displayed.
    3.2 BLOCKING AND EVADING AGAINST THE TECHNIQUES IN 3.1.
    Body movement soft and hard (Jushin and Goshin Tai-Sabaki)
    Tai Sabaki against all of the techniques in 3.1 must be demonstrated.
    Candidates must be able to demonstrate the different principles of Ju-shin and Go-shin body movement (Tai-Sabaki)
    4 KAESHI WAZA (Counter Throws)
    4.1 The counters of Go-No-Sen no Kata
    4.1.1 O-SOTO GAR I to O-SOTO-GARI
    4.1.2 HIZA-GURUMA to HIZA-GURUMA
    4.1.3 O-UCHI-GARI to to DE-ASHI-BARAI
    4.1.4 DE-ASHI-BARAI to DE-ASHI-BARAI
    4.1.5 KO-SOTO-GAKE to TAI-OTOSHI
    4.1.6 KO-UCHI-GARI to SASAE-TSURI-KOMI-ASHI
    4.1.7 KUBI-NAGE to USHIRO-GOSHI
    4.1.8 KOSHI-GURUMA to UKI-GOSHI
    4.1.9 HANAE-GOSHI to SASAE-TSURI-KOMI-ASHI
    4.1.10 HARAI-GOSHI to UTSURI-GOSHI
    4.1.11 UCHI-MATA to SUKUI-NAGE
    4.1.12 IPPON-SEOI-NAGE to SUMI-GAESHI
    5 KATAME WAZA: (The techniques from Katame-no-Kata)
    5.1 OSAE-WAZA: (Holds)
    5.1.1 KESA-GATAME
    5.1.2 KATA-GATAME
    5.1.3 KAMI-SHIHO-GATAME
    5.1.4 YOKO-SHIHO-GATAME
    5.1.5 KEZURI-KAME-SHIHO-GATAME
    5.2 SHIME-WAZA (Strangulations)
    5.2.1 KATA-JUJI-JIME
    5.2.2 HADAKA-JIME
    5.2.3 OKURI-ERI-JIME
    5.2.4 KATA-HA-JIME
    5.2.5 GYAKU-JUJI-JIME
    5.3 KANSETSU-WAZA (Arm locks)
    5.3.1 UDE-GARAMI
    5.3.2 UDE-HISHIGI-JUJI-GATAME
    5.3.3 UDE-GATAME
    5.3.4 UDE-HISHIGI-HIZA-GATAME
    5.3.5 ASHI-GARAMI
    5.4 The candidate must be able to defend against or escape from the above mentioned techniques in section 5.1, 5.2 and 5.3.
    5.5 The candidate must be able to demonstrate from at least 3 of the techniques in 5.1 the following:
    5.5.1 Strangulation (Shime-waza) when holding Uke down
    5.5.2 Strangulation (Shime-waza) when being held by Uke
    5.5.3 Arm locks (Kansetsu waza) when holding Uke down
    5.5.4 Arm locks (Kansetsu waza) when being held by Uke
    5.6 Demonstrate 3 turnover/control techniques into a hold from each of the following positions:
    5.6.1 Uke is on his stomach (3 techniques)
    5.6.2 Uki is in the bench position. (3 techniques)
    5.6.3 When Uki is between the legs of Tori when Tori is on his back.
    5.6.4 When Tori is between the legs of Uki when Uki is on his back.
    6 TRANSITION FROM STANDING INTO GRAPPLING TECHNIQUES:
    6.1 Demonstrate 10 techniques starting from tachi Waza and ending in Osae-Waza, Shime Waza or Kansetsu Waza. At least 3 techniques must result / flow from a failed attack of Uke.
    Techniques must be continuous without separation from Uke.
    7. DUTY as REFEREE or TECHNICAL OFFICIAL
    Candidate should have served a minimum of 20 hours as a referee or table official at minimum provincial competitions.
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    Re: Shodan

    Post by Cichorei Kano on Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:29 am

    Personally, I think it is a anomaly to say that candidates for shodan need to know the throws of the 1st kyô, yet require kaeshi-waza in which advanced techniques such as utsuri-goshi and sumi-gaeshi appear. If, If kaeshi-waza are required for shodan, then they should logically be required on the throws one has to actually know for that rank.


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    Re: Shodan

    Post by Neil G on Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:23 am

    Why just ikkyo? We need to know the whole gokyo. They don't have us do the whole thing, they randomly select throws but you don't know which ones going in.
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    Re: Shodan

    Post by Davaro on Thu Aug 14, 2014 5:34 pm

    Neil G wrote:Why just ikkyo?  We need to know the whole gokyo.  They don't have us do the whole thing, they randomly select throws but you don't know which ones going in.

    See the line that says Kyu grade syllabus?

    Most of the gokyu is contained in that (not all) but most.

    My personal opinion is the whole thing is a bit of overkill and not enough emphasis on shiai skills. Sure, one needs points but these can be obtained by being a table official (as an example) - you get a few points entering a competition but if you, as an ikyu, beat other ikyus or even dan grades it counts for nothing. Zero, unless you place.




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    Re: Shodan

    Post by Neil G on Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:39 am

    Davaro wrote:
    Neil G wrote:Why just ikkyo?  We need to know the whole gokyo.  They don't have us do the whole thing, they randomly select throws but you don't know which ones going in.

    See the line that says Kyu grade syllabus?

    Most of the gokyu is contained in that (not all) but most.

    My personal opinion is the whole thing is a bit of overkill and not enough emphasis on shiai skills. Sure, one needs points but these can be obtained by being a table official (as an example) - you get a few points entering a competition but if you, as an ikyu, beat other ikyus or even dan grades it counts for nothing. Zero, unless you place.


    Given the kyu syllabus, yeah the whole thing does seem like overkill.

    IIRC in Canada, you need 120 points, 30 of which must be "technical". You get 30 non-technical points each year for just breathing as an ikkyu. So after 3 years in ikkyu you've got the maximum non-technical points. The remaining 30 can be acquired through competition, refereeing or attending seminars. You get 5 points for each competition you enter or referee, so just show up twice a year those 3 years and you are covered.

    If you want to fast-track it, you get 10 points per win so long as your opponent is at least ikkyu.
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    Re: Shodan

    Post by Jihef on Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:54 am

    Davaro wrote:1 NAGE-NO-KATA
    The candidate must perform the full Nage-no-Kata as Tori and as Uke
    Hi Dav,
    Just curious to know if this is actually required ?
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    Isn't the candidate only judged on the Tori part ??


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    Re: Shodan

    Post by Davaro on Fri Aug 15, 2014 6:14 am

    Jihef wrote:
    Davaro wrote:1 NAGE-NO-KATA
    The candidate must perform the full Nage-no-Kata as Tori and as Uke
    Hi Dav,
    Just curious to know if this is actually required ?
    scratch
    Isn't the candidate only judged on the Tori part ??

    Yep. It is required and tested/judged on points as per Kata competition. Tori as well as uke. Ie; you do the kata twice.

    The ONLY exception to this rule, is a candidate over 40, with a medical certificate can "walk" through the Uke part, showing that he knows it yadda yadda

    I painfully know this to be true. I was a 40 year old Ikyu (with 30 odd years experience at the time) deciding to finally go for the shodan as I wanted to open a club due to various reasons. When I arrived for the grading Murphy decided to play a game with me and pulled a groin muscle. I asked for leniency and just not take ukemi. It was denied and I failed the grading.

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    Re: Shodan

    Post by Jihef on Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:28 pm

    Davaro wrote:Yep. It is required and tested/judged on points as per Kata competition. Tori as well as uke. Ie; you do the kata twice.

    Interesting. Thanks.


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    Re: Shodan

    Post by Raj Venugopal on Thu Aug 28, 2014 3:15 am

    The modus operandi for most dan gradings in our club is this.
    -Love judo, train in whatever crazy ass weather we have, compete all the time.
    -Amass hundreds of points and be told to grade.
    -Get graded, leave hundreds of extra points on the table, go back to beating each other up and be happy.
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    [/quote]
    Given the kyu syllabus, yeah the whole thing does seem like overkill.

    IIRC in Canada, you need 120 points, 30 of which must be "technical".  You get 30 non-technical points each year for just breathing as an ikkyu.  So after 3 years in ikkyu you've got the maximum non-technical points.  The remaining 30 can be acquired through competition, refereeing or attending seminars.  You get 5 points for each competition you enter or referee, so just show up twice a year those 3 years and you are covered.

    If you want to fast-track it, you get 10 points per win so long as your opponent is at least ikkyu.
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    Re: Shodan

    Post by Cichorei Kano on Thu Aug 28, 2014 4:13 am

    What happened to the requirement of having to send the scalps of at least 10 adult males with your application form ?


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    Re: Shodan

    Post by Raj Venugopal on Thu Aug 28, 2014 4:29 am

    They are stored at the club. Razz
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    Re: Shodan

    Post by Ben Reinhardt on Fri Aug 29, 2014 4:09 am

    Cichorei Kano wrote:What happened to the requirement of having to send the scalps of at least 10 adult males with your application form ?

    One needs to surely watch out for the women who can provide those scalps...


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    Re: Shodan

    Post by Cichorei Kano on Fri Aug 29, 2014 4:25 am

    Ben Reinhardt wrote:
    Cichorei Kano wrote:What happened to the requirement of having to send the scalps of at least 10 adult males with your application form ?

    One needs to surely watch out for the women who can provide those scalps...

    Usually those ones don't stop at the scalps, I am told ...


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