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    Jonesy

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    Silk/satin obi

    Post by Jonesy on Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:15 pm

    Anybody wear a satin/silk finished obi for judo? I saw one on a newly minted shodan the other day and realised I had not seen one for years.
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    Re: Silk/satin obi

    Post by Cichorei Kano on Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:23 am

    Jonesy wrote:Anybody wear a satin/silk finished obi for judo?  I saw one on a newly minted shodan the other day and realised I had not seen one for years.

    I have one but I don't wear it. I try to adhere to most of the Japanese aesthetic and bushidô guidelines (ref. the Hagakure) that reject flashy clothing in budô, which does not mean that silk is per se flashy, but at shodan level as you mention it also does not really yield a message of ... "proportionate modesty" ...


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    Re: Silk/satin obi

    Post by JudoStu on Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:21 pm

    Jonesy wrote:Anybody wear a satin/silk finished obi for judo?  I saw one on a newly minted shodan the other day and realised I had not seen one for years.

    Wouldn't a silk belt be quite likely to tear?


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    Re: Silk/satin obi

    Post by Cichorei Kano on Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:22 am

    JudoStu wrote:
    Jonesy wrote:Anybody wear a satin/silk finished obi for judo?  I saw one on a newly minted shodan the other day and realised I had not seen one for years.

    Wouldn't a silk belt be quite likely to tear?

    Note that the original question was about both satin and silk. The two are not the same; satin is cotton, brushed cotton, silk is an entirely different fabric. In some budô such as karate, satin is worn more. Some argue that one of the reasons is because it easier and quicker leads to losing color and looking more worn out in order to give yourself an aura of being very experienced to others. As to the longevity of those belt, just like any other belt today they are all filled with a single or folded felt strip or something in another fabrick with the stitches that are made through it making the belt stiffer and stronger. With the increase in international competitions under IJF banner an increasing number of regulations came in place about everything, size of tatami, material of tatami, and the same for gi or belt, which today even have to carry an IJF label. It wasn't that complicated in the past and belt were worn and tied in very differnt ways sometimes characteristic for someone's originating school, which today is still the case in several koryû in the way their members' hakama are tied.

    Another important thing is that in Japanese arts (tea ceremony, calligraphy, flower arrangements, budô) aesthetics, that is to say "Japanese aesthetics" play a very significant role, and in Japanese aesthetics the naturalness of anything and anybody is crucial. Silk in that respect is a very natural material, made by natural occurring animals. Aesthetically, at least for someone who actually grasps Japanese aesthetics --which is't exactly a characteristic of the average jûdôka, silk scores very well, just like a natural color off-white jûdôgi conforms such criteria, and things such a blue gi and flashy stuff such as colored rashguard is the absolute opposite.


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    Re: Silk/satin obi

    Post by Jonesy on Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:10 am

    Satin is a finish, silk is a material. Some people insist that satin can only be made from silk fibres - others do not. In judo the outside of the belt is finished in silk/satin - it still has a filed core. Though some Chinese arts have a simple silk sash.

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    Re: Silk/satin obi

    Post by tafftaz on Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:25 am

    I have never seen one on a judo mat. I only have 2 belts. One a fairly new, embroidered black belt. Which was a gift for my sandan. Also my original belt I had for my shodan, which I am afraid to say is very frayed and fading colour.
    A silk belt for shodan? A bit ostentatious for me.
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    Re: Silk/satin obi

    Post by Cichorei Kano on Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:18 am

    tafftaz wrote:I have never seen one on a judo mat. I only have 2 belts. One a fairly new, embroidered black belt. Which was a gift for my sandan. Also my original belt I had for my shodan, which I am afraid to say is very frayed and fading colour.
    A silk belt for shodan? A bit ostentatious for me.

    Here's a recent picture of me wearing one while teaching shizenshontai:




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    Re: Silk/satin obi

    Post by tafftaz on Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:44 am

    Ah hah hah.....Thank you very much
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    Re: Silk/satin obi

    Post by Heisenberg on Fri Oct 03, 2014 11:49 am

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    Re: Silk/satin obi

    Post by NBK on Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:36 pm

    Cichorei Kano wrote:
    tafftaz wrote:I have never seen one on a judo mat. I only have 2 belts. One a fairly new, embroidered black belt. Which was a gift for my sandan. Also my original belt I had for my shodan, which I am afraid to say is very frayed and fading colour.
    A silk belt for shodan? A bit ostentatious for me.

    Here's a recent picture of me wearing one while teaching shizenshontai:

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