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    Should I Switch to Judo?

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    Gus

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    Re: Should I Switch to Judo?

    Post by Gus on Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:26 am

    Wandering WB wrote:The airplane was an analogy which was pretty simple really
    It's not even apples and oranges. Judo is a hand to hand fighting art with ancient roots where the most basic human instincts to dominate or submit are set loose within a limited rule set, airplanes are complex machines that were invented relatively recently. If you have to make such an inept comparison, chances are you are lost.

    The date of the technology involved is irrelevant to the analogy - exactly the same analogy could be made about shipbuilding in the 19 th century if you prefer, or if you wish to take it further the manufacture of Katana in the 15th century - but I think you know that.

    1. The people who get the highest ranks in judo typically had to have medaled at the national, world or Olympic stage. So they did spend a lot of time and effort competing, even if they are past their peak. This doesn't shift judo's focus away from competition. An alternative is coaching people to championships. This is less common.

    Many of them yes - but not all of them, in fact I know a couple who were never successful even at national level competition. Obviously you need a high level of skill to achieve such a high rank, and there's a fair bit of politics involved unfortunately,  but it seems to me that in general the really high ranks are awarded to those who are deemed by their Judo federation to have been of great service to the Judo, and wider community.
    I really think you should read more about Kano to find out what his intentions for Judo were when he started it - the fact that its been commodified and dumbed down to conform to the west and according to you Russia  - does not change what Judo is or can be. Judo is not just a competitive sport - in fact many would argue it's not a sport at all just that we've tried to turn it into one. However life is too short .....
    In terms of competition - medals speak much more loudly than belts in that arena. Ok amigo - Im going to leave you to it - all the best .

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    Re: Should I Switch to Judo?

    Post by medo on Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:04 am

    Wandering WB wrote:I am not at your club, medo and if a part of you wants to be`my judo teacher I will have to pass on that priceless opportunity. The club I train at practices ALL of judo, including leg attacks and yes, sitting armbars an kani basami, both of which I have been doing for years and can perform without injuring someone. I will tell you what, though. Last practice I rolled with a judo greenbelt for three minutes. According to you, I am just a white belt, so I should have gotten tapped out or held down in osaekomi, right? We spent a lot of time talking and I am still just getting back into training, I feel like I have no wind. However, despite allowing him to always start from dominant positions such as mount, back control with the ankles crossed and knee on belly, I submitted him six times with juji gatame. Why don't you try that, letting your partner start out from a dominant position and tell us how you do. If you submit a greenbelt less than four times, perhaps it's time for you to retire and send me your black belt by mail so I can hang it on my wall.
    I will go to a national tournament if I feel like it and only when I am properly prepared not when you ask me to do it on a whim. Nothing good happens when you go to competitions you are not prepared for.

    So let me get this right you can tap out a green belt from you underneath, so because you can do that you consider yourself a "master" sandan,Laughing  sorry having trouble not spilling my cup of tea Laughing   and you want me to test my skills by finding a green belt and if I do not submit him four times in three minutes you want me to retire and send you my belt as a trophy,  just wiping a little spillage thumbs
    I know I'm feeding the troll but so much fun bom   Perhaps the forum members need to ask is WB genuine in his
    quest for knowledge or are his posts preposterous.

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    Re: Should I Switch to Judo?

    Post by medo on Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:31 am

    Wandering WB wrote:Oh, I gave all the evidence that's really necessary for an expert to understand. I take it you don't want to participate in the experiment to see how you do against a greenbelt? ROFL. medo, I am not in a hurry to get graded. It can wait. You are graded and I don't want to be like you.
    It's obvious you aren't very open minded. Just so you know, Roger Gracie trains in England with mostly BJJ blue belts around. In other words, people he could completely ragdoll and worse. I hope you've at least heard the name. If you don't know, google him. He still has the best jiujitsu and continues to improve.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQClTlJzuzU This is a second degree black belt test in BJJ. Roy Dean is an excellent teacher and practitioner. That translates to more than sandan in newaza. Notice it's mostly escapes to submissions against lower ranked resisting opponents.

    Would you believe I have done newaza with a bjj dan grade although he was all over me he did not submit me or hold me, my club specialise in newaza do at least an hour out of a 2 1/2 hour session three times a week for 40 years put it this way if I put kesakatame on and you had to escape for your bjj grade your ears will be so cauliflowered you would need to have them drained, your neck would be so stiff you would be of work for a week and you would fail your grading just because you are who you are......
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    Jihef

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    Re: Should I Switch to Judo?

    Post by Jihef on Tue Nov 04, 2014 9:55 pm

    medo wrote:Would you believe I have done newaza with a bjj dan grade although he was all over me he did not submit me or hold me, my club specialise in newaza do at least an hour out of a 2 1/2 hour session three times a week for 40 years put it this way if I put kesakatame on and you had to escape for your bjj grade your ears will be so cauliflowered you would need to have them drained, your neck would be so stiff you would be of work for a week and you would fail your grading just because you are who you are......
    Sorry Medo,
    but you must be a wimp.

    You mean you wouldn't even crack a few of his ribs ? Tssk, tssk…
    Razz


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    Re: Should I Switch to Judo?

    Post by medo on Wed Nov 05, 2014 4:32 am

    Jihef wrote:
    medo wrote:Would you believe I have done newaza with a bjj dan grade although he was all over me he did not submit me or hold me, my club specialise in newaza do at least an hour out of a 2 1/2 hour session three times a week for 40 years put it this way if I put kesakatame on and you had to escape for your bjj grade your ears will be so cauliflowered you would need to have them drained, your neck would be so stiff you would be of work for a week and you would fail your grading just because you are who you are......
    Sorry Medo,
    but you must be a wimp.

    You mean you wouldn't even crack a few of his ribs ? Tssk, tssk…
    Razz

    Me a wimp how very dare you Wink  cracking a few ribs requires technique thats borderline illegal very difficult to hide unless your a man mountain but you are correct if the ref was not looking he could have had some of that  Twisted Evil  I did miss me not shaven for a few days, not only would he be struggling for breath but he would have a face rash that would itch for weeks to go with his very sore ears and neck.

    Bless him hes no longer with us I have been informed. My guess is he has a superiority complex but wish him well, he was not good for this Judo forum?

    Zankou

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    Re: Should I Switch to Judo?

    Post by Zankou on Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:42 am

    BJJ black belt / judo sankyu here. I would stick with BJJ at least until you get your black belt, but then I think you might really enjoy switching to judo.

    If you stop training BJJ now and just train judo, you will be surprised how quickly your BJJ skills degrade despite training judo. There are some things you can pick up from judo newaza which are useful for BJJ, but not much.

    Judo is certainly a blast, just like BJJ.

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    Re: Should I Switch to Judo?

    Post by tafftaz on Fri Nov 21, 2014 6:01 am

    Zankou wrote:BJJ black belt / judo sankyu here.  I would stick with BJJ at least until you get your black belt, but then I think you might really enjoy switching to judo.

    If you stop training BJJ now and just train judo, you will be surprised how quickly your BJJ skills degrade despite training judo.  There are some things you can pick up from judo newaza which are useful for BJJ, but not much.

    Judo is certainly a blast, just like BJJ.

    Nice post.
    Works the other way as well. A good friend of mine has virtually stopped training judo at 2nd dan to concentrate on his bjj.This was down to the attritional rate that judo had on his body. He only started bjj a couple of years ago. He is now a purple or brown belt I think. However when he does come back to us for a session (once or twice a year) his judo has really deteriorated in the tachi waza dept. His ground game is excellent though. He was a very good and skilful 90kgs player and medalled at commonwealth level
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    Davaro

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    Re: Should I Switch to Judo?

    Post by Davaro on Sat Nov 22, 2014 1:18 am

    Zankou wrote:BJJ black belt / judo sankyu here.  I would stick with BJJ at least until you get your black belt, but then I think you might really enjoy switching to judo.

    If you stop training BJJ now and just train judo, you will be surprised how quickly your BJJ skills degrade despite training judo.  There are some things you can pick up from judo newaza which are useful for BJJ, but not much.

    Judo is certainly a blast, just like BJJ.

    True...

    However, it must also be said that they are two different sports thus degradation is probable in either.

    I do find though that cross-training is better for both sides but one can learn bad habits from each. I cant talk from the BJJ perspective but find that training in BJJ shows me it is far more "technical" but also far slower. Its a bit like chess on the ground and unfortunately, although very good, helps jack in a judo comp where if you are trying to figure out just when you should slip in that choke, you get stood up...

    When I go up against a BJJ guy, I tend to go balls-to-the-wall and gas quickly... standing, they dont stand much chance other than with "judo Illegal" leg-grabs etc.

    I like both and think one can and should train in both if possible. It should never be a "which is better" as that cannot be classified except as a matter of personal opinion.

    I think as I get older, I may move more to BJJ as it is a lot softer on the body. But Judo will always remain my first love.



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