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    "What is essence of Judo? What is the very heart of judo?

    Post by noboru on Sun Feb 15, 2015 11:29 pm

    Mifune`s explanation to question: ""What is essence of Judo? What is the very heart of judo?"
    His interesting explanation with ball or/and sphere example from 34:19-35:30.

    Kyuzo Mifune | 三船 久蔵 - The Essence of Judo | Full Movie Eng. Subtitles
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnRl5pEdYHs
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    Re: "What is essence of Judo? What is the very heart of judo?

    Post by NBK on Mon Feb 16, 2015 12:25 am

    I'm not sure I've seen that entire film before, thanks for posting.

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    Re: "What is essence of Judo? What is the very heart of judo?

    Post by Anatol on Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:49 am

    Hi Noboru

    Do you remember the "Song of Judo", a poem by Mifune written in 1953?


    柔道の歌
    三船久蔵

    不断の稽古に邪念なく 心は虚しく 身も軽しい
    中心帰一のことわりを 忘れず励まん ひとすぢに
    これぞまことの わが柔道 わが柔道

    百練千磨の功を積み 七転八起の妙を得ん
    解脱の奥義を悟りなば 変応自在の球となる
    これぞまことの わが柔道 わが柔道

    柔の道には国境なく 和らぐ心に敵はなし
    世界の友らと手を組みて 樹てばや平和の理想郷
    これぞまことの わが柔道 わが柔道



    A Song of Judo
    by Kyuzo Mifune

    In time of practice, without distraction,
    light in heart and light in limb.
    Let us endeavor with full attention,
    to concentrate our mind within.
    This is the genuine way of Judo.
    This is the genuine way of Judo.

    Trained through practice to perfection,
    skilled in the art of rise and fall.
    Let us enter the way of salvation,
    freely moving like a ball.
    This is the genuine way of Judo.
    This is the genuine way of Judo.

    The way of Judo knows no bound,
    the mild of heart no enmity.
    Let us, all nations hand in hand,
    build the ideal of amity.
    This is the genuine way of Judo.
    This is the genuine way of Judo.


    (transl. by judoinfo.com)

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    Re: "What is essence of Judo? What is the very heart of judo?

    Post by noboru on Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:02 am

    Thank you a lot.
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    Re: "What is essence of Judo? What is the very heart of judo?

    Post by Ben Reinhardt on Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:01 am

    The notion of ball/sphere is used extensively in Aikido.


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    Re: "What is essence of Judo? What is the very heart of judo?

    Post by NBK on Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:04 am

    Although it's going to bug a couple of folks here that I told way too often (obviously because they're not listening....), Kano shihan wrote that Kime no Kata contained the core elements of júdó.

    I see the ball analogy used a lot in postwar aikidó but any idea when it crept in? It is not obvious in earlier writings.
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    Re: "What is essence of Judo? What is the very heart of judo?

    Post by BillC on Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:33 am

    NBK wrote: Kano shihan wrote that Kime no Kata contained the core elements of júdó.

    Really ... when did you say that? Rolling Eyes


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    Re: "What is essence of Judo? What is the very heart of judo?

    Post by Anatol on Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:58 pm

    Hi NBK!


    I think, Kano and Mifune have to different approaches to Judo:

    Kano: systematical, methodical, constructive, educational, logical, organized, formal

    Mifune: practical, floating, experimental, minimalistic, natural, simple, free


    In a metaphor:

    Kanos Judo is like a cube, Mifunes Judo like a ball/sphere.

    Kanos Judo is like a framework, Mifunes Judo like waves and circles.



    Hi Noboru!

    I think, the philosophical core of "ball/sphere" is in "mushin/wu xin" 無心 and in "wuji" 無極

    If your mind is not fixed with "this and that" or "if this than that" you can freely moving like a ball, "light in heart and light in limb".

    IF you practice a lot ;-)


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    Re: "What is essence of Judo? What is the very heart of judo?

    Post by Anatol on Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:08 am

    I think,

    "sei ryoku zenyo" is the essence of Judo.

    Natural, simple, round, beautiful. Nature is in waves, circles, changes - there are not many straight lines or square angles. To go with nature (or physics if you want) is the most efficient way to use energy (ryoku zenyo) and to do this with an open and clear and calm mind (sei zenyo) is a great pleasure/delight. To do things in a most efficient way (with the minimum effort, which is needed) and to know, which things to do and which to refrain is a joy in everday life.

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    Re: "What is essence of Judo? What is the very heart of judo?

    Post by Ben Reinhardt on Sat Feb 21, 2015 6:14 am

    NBK wrote:Although it's going to bug a couple of folks here that I told way too often (obviously because they're not listening....), Kano shihan wrote that Kime no Kata contained the core elements of júdó.

    I see the ball analogy used a lot in postwar aikidó but any idea when it crept in?  It is not obvious in earlier writings.

    This is post-WW2, of course.



    I read the above, found it in my "collection" in the garage while looking for an old judo book.

    Spheres seemed important...



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    text of Mifune`s explanation from video

    Post by noboru on Fri Feb 27, 2015 7:35 am

    What is the essence of Judo?
    What is the very heart of Judo?

    Let`s listen as 10th Dan Mifune answers these questions for us.

    The foundations of Judo are expressed through this ball or sphere. A sphere has never known what it is like to fall over( of balance ). No matter where it bounces, its center ( of balance ) is never lost. In short the sphere is someting that will never fall over. By maintaining its center of balance it is able to produce infinite variations because there is no wasted movement from the sphere.

    10th Dan Mifune discovered that his body is like the sphere.
    While leading training he shows that when pushed, turn and when pulled go with it on an angle. This is the same idea as the non-wasting movement of the sphere. There is an old expression that the secrets of Budo are,"When pulled, push. When pushed, pull". Using the principle of the sphere to never lose his center of balance.

    10th Dan Mifune turns when pushed and when puled he moves with it on an angle. Through dedicated training a person`s body can become just as capable of adapting ( its balance ) as the constantly transforming sphere.

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