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    DougNZ

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    Early Kodokan dan grade promotion requirements

    Post by DougNZ on Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:28 pm

    Does anyone have any references as to the requirements for dan grade promotion during the first 30 years of the Kodokan? I am interested in both yudansha and kodansha promotions.
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    Jonesy

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    Re: Early Kodokan dan grade promotion requirements

    Post by Jonesy on Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:36 am

    I guess promotions were made when the Shihan thought people were ready.

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    Re: Early Kodokan dan grade promotion requirements

    Post by DougNZ on Thu Dec 03, 2015 9:32 pm

    Jonesy wrote:I guess promotions were made when the Shihan thought people were ready.

    What about this: https://www.facebook.com/JudoTrainingDevelopment/posts/584632911547264  Is the mention of Article 10 of the Kodokan Council Regulations printed in Judo Nenkan, 1925 correct?  Are there any earlier similar regulations?

    I have read about the kohaku shiai as a means of gaining promotion but what about promotion by other means?

    What about promotion beyond godan in the early days?
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    NBK

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    Re: Early Kodokan dan grade promotion requirements

    Post by NBK on Fri Dec 04, 2015 4:30 pm

    I haven't checked the promotion criteria but there are numerous similar entries of administrative bases for numerous committees, competitions, etc. in various Kodokan publications and annual reports.

    The kohakujiai, literally red-white competition, is a Kodokan internal competition. I think it is the only one in the non-closed judo world in Japan where you can get promotion points. I can't set up a series of matches in my dojo and suggest promotion based on success there, but the Kodokan can and does.

    Every other point event is an external competition; dojo against dojo, individual and team level at the Tokyo ward (city inside Tokyo), interwar (in my case, Minato, Shinagawa, Meguro and Ota ward judo associations), Tokyo city, or national. The Kodokan also host the external kodansha taikai (high ranking) in which any judoka of appropriate rank from around Japan can register and come to fight.

    Closed organizations like the police have their own events, but current policemen can compete in local events and do.
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    training in some police/prison dojo in Japan

    Post by noboru on Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:13 pm

    Hi NBK,
    have you got any experiences with training in some police/prison dojo in Japan? If yes, do you found any differencies with other non polices dojo?

    Why do I ask you? I have one kendo friend and he has long years experiences with kendo trainings in police/prison dojos in Japan (around Tokio). He said, that their training is little bit different from other ZNKR dojo's.
    - harder (more tanren - own body and spirit polishing)
    - they use more specific techniques like/from kenjutsu - use more effective combat/techniques
    - spirit is more as bujutsu than budo (interested for own skill more - if you understand me, try to defeat opponent ever) ...

    In judo could be similar situations as in kendo in these dojo ...

    Thank you for any comment from whoever.
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    Re: Early Kodokan dan grade promotion requirements

    Post by NBK on Mon Dec 07, 2015 5:25 pm

    I have some experience with police judo. I've met police prison guard judoka.

    It can be pretty rough. And the prison guards have a rough reputation.

    Remember that they all have professional martial artists in their ranks, a good number at the schools and training centers, but also at the larger police stations.

    And they all must gain at least 1dan to get promoted.

    Just like any professional organizations' requirements, some are really into it, some do it because they must. I recall my father, a deputy sheriff. Loved to shoot pistol, so competed, loaded his own ammo, shot a lot professionally and in his private time. But several other deputies weren't interest only shot the minimum required, mere basic qualification.

    Some police just do what's required to get promoted and stay current, others train outside the police, practice kata, compete locally and regionally.

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    judo training in police/prison dojo

    Post by noboru on Mon Dec 07, 2015 6:15 pm

    Thank you. Please can you tell about training in police/prison dojo?

    What do they practice in traning lessons?
    Do they do any uchikomi?
    Do they practice any selfdefence/special techniques?
    It is only randori sessions?
    Any special rules in randori?

    Any exceptions?
    Thank you.

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    Re: Early Kodokan dan grade promotion requirements

    Post by DougNZ on Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:25 pm

    I see this thread has been pretty much hijacked. As there is no further information forthcoming, I am happy to wrap it up. Thank you, NBK, for your reply.

    It is a shame that, while there is much information in English about Kano setting up his grading structure, there is little on the requirements for promotion.


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