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    Mr_Michael_or_Mike

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    The unbleached or natural style judogi?

    Post by Mr_Michael_or_Mike on Mon Feb 15, 2016 4:10 am

    I've read that this type of gi was once ubiquitous in the dojos of the world, and it came before the bleached white judogi. If so when was the change? I believe that the blue gu got it's stat in the 1970s.

    Today, it's possible to find these type of judogi, but they seem to be entry level single weaves, or double weaves with incredibly long suso(?) or the bottom apron like part of the jacket.

    What are you thoughts on this type of judogi?
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    Re: The unbleached or natural style judogi?

    Post by Jonesy on Sat Feb 27, 2016 7:07 am

    What's in a colour?

    Above is worth a read.
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    Re: The unbleached or natural style judogi?

    Post by NBK on Sat Feb 27, 2016 9:30 am

    Nice article.

    Natural cotton has oils and contaminants that leave the cotton beige or other off white colors.

    Over time even without bleach these wash out, leaving almost white cotton fibers.

    Most makers use bleached cotton fabric now because that's what their consumers expect. Unbleached in bulk is a bit cheaper so you typically find it in cheaper mass produced entry level keikogi.

    I think the wabi sabi emphasis on unbleached cotton can be overdone. In time it becomes a pretension of its own, which is hardly traditional.

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    Re: The unbleached or natural style judogi?

    Post by BillC on Sun Feb 28, 2016 2:51 am

    Resurgent trend in judogi material? The Millennials tell me that hemp fiber is THE trend coming out of BJJ. I guess out of extreme concern for the environment or even the principle of maximum efficiency.

    Gotta do something with all those unwanted stems ...


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    Re: The unbleached or natural style judogi?

    Post by NBK on Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:06 am

    Cotton was introduced to Japan hundreds of years after hemp.

    It could be that Kano shihan's famous gi is made of hemp - maybe that's why it's kept under glass.
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    Re: The unbleached or natural style judogi?

    Post by Jonesy on Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:38 am

    NBK - I agree that it is important not to overdo things. For me:

    1. The colour of a judogi is WHITE and NOT White or Blue.
    2. Blue judogi are only appropriate for those who require them for use at the level of competition that demands them. Not appropriate for everyday practice.
    3. Mix/split kits are an absolute no-no.

    Lets get some discipline back!

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    Re: The unbleached or natural style judogi?

    Post by Udon on Mon Feb 29, 2016 6:06 am

    Jonesy and NBK are traditional and correct . White is the color for judogi..if I am not mistaken the blue judogi was introduced by the IJF to make judo more of a spectator sport.
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    Re: The unbleached or natural style judogi?

    Post by NBK on Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:06 am

    Jonesy wrote:NBK - I agree that it is important not to overdo things. For me:

    1. The colour of a judogi is WHITE and NOT White or Blue.
    2. Blue judogi are only appropriate for those who require them for use at the level of competition that demands them.  Not appropriate for everyday practice.
    3. Mix/split kits are an absolute no-no.

    Lets get some discipline back!

    I don't see the mixes in Japan. The Kodokan frowns on blue gi, which you'll see more at university dojo. But I can't recall seeing a blue /!white mix here.
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    Re: The unbleached or natural style judogi?

    Post by NBK on Mon Feb 29, 2016 2:22 pm

    Why hemp? From a South African maker's website.
    http://gassho-hemp.com/why-hemp/4543861586

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    Re: The unbleached or natural style judogi?

    Post by Anatol on Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:35 am

    "Blue" is not a bad or inappropriate colour for a Judogi.

    Japanese Culture is deeply influenced by chinese culture and therefore it's not a miracle, that the meanings of colours in Japan derives from the "Wu Xing"  五行 (Five Phases) System, elaborated and established in Han Dynasty by the confucian scholar Dong Zhongshu 董仲舒 (179-104 BCE) (who also introduced the confucian education system for the bureaucrats) and came to Japan in the 6th and 7th century CE.

    "Blue" symbolyzes water, gentle, soft, yielding, pliant and therefore is a perfect symbol for "Ju" 柔 , like in "Ju Do".

    Also the colour of the modern IJF Judogi is Navy blue color (Konjō-iro, 紺青色 ).

    "Blue" is also a colour of everyday life and for students - fits perfect for practising and randori ...

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    Re: The unbleached or natural style judogi?

    Post by Mr_Michael_or_Mike on Mon Apr 11, 2016 12:35 pm

    I sent a message to the kusakura shop, which I believe is a company related to the Kodakan. Here is what they said about the unbleached gi:

    Thank you very much for your inquiry.
    Actually, yes !
    This is a very high end product made with Japanese cotton (it's the only dogi in Japan, all brands included, for which the cotton raw material is grown in Japan).
    Japanese cotton being very rare, the quantity of fabric sewn is very low, and since this product is made to order only, the production time is about 2 to 3 months.
    The price is 57,000 YEN (about 500 USD) shipping included.
    It is available in unbleached version, and wazarashi (traditional bleaching process) version and the size available are the same as for the JOA or JNF models.
    You can place your order by sending an email to order@kusakurashop.com
    (We are considering offering it as a regular product on our website, as it's, without any doubt, the best Dogi ever made in Japan... The price is quite a deal breaker in the Japanese market, but we really love the product, so we want to give it a try on our International sites).
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    Re: The unbleached or natural style judogi?

    Post by NBK on Mon Apr 11, 2016 11:01 pm

    Nice info, thanks.
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    Re: The unbleached or natural style judogi?

    Post by Jonesy on Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:25 am

    Great info. I want one.
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    Re: The unbleached or natural style judogi?

    Post by Jonesy on Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:25 am

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    Re: The unbleached or natural style judogi?

    Post by finarashi on Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:18 am

    I want one too, like I want a Tesla car and ...


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    Re: The unbleached or natural style judogi?

    Post by NBK on Tue Apr 12, 2016 7:32 am

    Mr_Michael_or_Mike wrote:I sent a message to the kusakura shop, which I believe is a company related to the Kodakan. Here is what they said about the unbleached gi:

    Thank you very much for your inquiry.
    Actually, yes !
    This is a very high end product made with Japanese cotton (it's the only dogi in Japan, all brands included, for which the cotton raw material is grown in Japan).
    Japanese cotton being very rare, the quantity of fabric sewn is very low, and since this product is made to order only, the production time is about 2 to 3 months.
    The price is 57,000 YEN (about 500 USD) shipping included.
    It is available in unbleached version, and wazarashi (traditional bleaching process) version and the size available are the same as for the JOA or JNF models.
    You can place your order by sending an email to order@kusakurashop.com
    (We are considering offering it as a regular product on our website, as it's, without any doubt, the best Dogi ever made in Japan... The price is quite a deal breaker in the Japanese market, but we really love the product, so we want to give it a try on our International sites).
    KuSakura (literally 'Nine Cherry Blossoms') sells at the Kodokan but there's no relationship beyond that AFAIK.

    Here's their judo catalog. Check out the last page - never saw that before. Forward roll instructional gi top. http://www.kusakura.co.jp/2016catalog/003-052judo.pdf

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    Re: The unbleached or natural style judogi?

    Post by cokiee on Wed Apr 13, 2016 3:12 am

    I like how in the catalogue the blue gi is listed as being for international competitors. (:
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    Re: The unbleached or natural style judogi?

    Post by Jonesy on Sun May 22, 2016 7:20 pm

    cokiee wrote:I like how in the catalogue the blue gi is listed as being for international competitors. (:
    No-one else should need one.
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    Re: The unbleached or natural style judogi?

    Post by Jonesy on Sun May 22, 2016 7:20 pm

    Here is a film of the premium Dojin natural judogi: https://www.facebook.com/kusakurashop/videos/1032953196753698/

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    Re: The unbleached or natural style judogi?

    Post by cokiee on Sun May 22, 2016 9:02 pm

    Jonesy wrote:
    cokiee wrote:I like how in the catalogue the blue gi is listed as being for international competitors. (:
    No-one else should need one.

    That's unfortunately not what many owners think!
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    Re: The unbleached or natural style judogi?

    Post by Jonesy on Sun May 22, 2016 9:06 pm

    cokiee wrote:
    Jonesy wrote:
    cokiee wrote:I like how in the catalogue the blue gi is listed as being for international competitors. (:
    No-one else should need one.

    That's unfortunately not what many owners think!
    Agree.
    LoL. Ditto back patches too.
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    Re: The unbleached or natural style judogi?

    Post by finarashi on Mon May 23, 2016 4:12 am

    Actually according to IJF rules blue judogi is for loosers study study

    When you place competitors in brackets, you are supposed to place the better (i.e. winning) competitor to the side of the white judogi.


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