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    Jigoro Kano and karate (Kenwa Mabuni, Gichin Funakoshi etc.)

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    noboru

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    Jigoro Kano and karate (Kenwa Mabuni, Gichin Funakoshi etc.)

    Post by noboru on Fri May 06, 2016 8:57 pm

    Source:
    http://www.karatebyjesse.com/legends-of-karate-mabuni-kenwa-and-his-shito-ryu-pt-1/

    In January 1927 (Shôwa 2) Dr. Kanô Jigorô (1860-1938), the founder of Jûdô, and his student Nagaoka Hidekazu (1876-1952) visited the ‘Karate Kenkyû Kurabu’. At this opportunity, Mabuni Kenwa and his friend Miyagi Chôjun performed various Kata of Karate. Kanô was quite impressed by this performance and encouraged them to spread their art on the Japanese mainland. Kanô characterized Karate as an “universal martial art, suitable for attack and defense” and had the opinion that “such an ideal Budô … [needed] to be spread all over the country”. Kanô said to Mabuni: “According to your ability, you should be awarded fourth Dan in Jûdô right on the spot!”

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    Re: Jigoro Kano and karate (Kenwa Mabuni, Gichin Funakoshi etc.)

    Post by befoley on Mon May 16, 2016 10:55 pm

    I really enjoyed that article. I like to read about how masters of various arts, who were contemporaries, interacted with one another.

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    Re: Jigoro Kano and karate (Kenwa Mabuni, Gichin Funakoshi etc.)

    Post by NBK on Tue May 17, 2016 4:04 pm

    Thank you for that post.

    Kano shihan was a fan, perhaps a great fan, of a number of martial arts, including karatedo. He was supportive of Funakoshi sensei.

    Also the quote is interesting - Kano shihan didn't fight against other martial arts, but often sought to absorb other martial arts techniques into judo and his vast range of techniques. One mechanism he used was to promote advanced instructors into judo by giving them Kodokan judo rank, apparently based on their background, influence, and ability to contribute to the Kodokan in the future.

    Thanks again!

    Emanuele2

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    Re: Jigoro Kano and karate (Kenwa Mabuni, Gichin Funakoshi etc.)

    Post by Emanuele2 on Tue May 17, 2016 6:22 pm

    He said thesame thing about aikido.
    Maybe he was a fan of all the budo.

    Reinberger

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    Re: Jigoro Kano and karate (Kenwa Mabuni, Gichin Funakoshi etc.)

    Post by Reinberger on Tue May 17, 2016 9:09 pm

    In fact, Kanō-shihan considered budō to be a sub entity of jūdō, while, today at least, we consider it to be the other way round.


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    Re: Jigoro Kano and karate (Kenwa Mabuni, Gichin Funakoshi etc.)

    Post by wdax on Tue May 17, 2016 9:47 pm

    Reinberger wrote:In fact, Kanō-shihan considered budō to be a sub entity of jūdō, while, today at least, we consider it to be the other way round.
    But this was meant philosophically, not technically :-)

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    Re: Jigoro Kano and karate (Kenwa Mabuni, Gichin Funakoshi etc.)

    Post by cokiee on Wed May 18, 2016 2:31 am

    Could you expound please?

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    Re: Jigoro Kano and karate (Kenwa Mabuni, Gichin Funakoshi etc.)

    Post by wdax on Wed May 18, 2016 4:30 am

    cokiee wrote:Could you expound please?

    From the top of my head...

    Kano defined Judo in a wider sense as the application of seiryoku-zenyo and jita-kyo´ei in all spheres of live. This also includes of course all budo. In this (philosophical) meaning, budo is a part of judo. "Judo in the narrow sense" is the martial art, defined by it´s technical syllabus, the methods of practice etc.

    It seems, that Kano´s ultimate goal was to get all martial arts under his philosophy and a way of achieving this, was to include them (also) technically into Kodokan Judo. Beside of course, that other martial arts had to offer something to improve his judo....

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    Re: Jigoro Kano and karate (Kenwa Mabuni, Gichin Funakoshi etc.)

    Post by Jonesy on Wed May 18, 2016 6:45 am

    Read the interviews by Linda Yiannakis with Dr Stephen Cunningham here:

    http://judoinfo.com/pdf/USJA/2002-3-AJ.pdf

    http://judoinfo.com/pdf/USJA/2003-1-AJ.pdf

    They talk about Kano and Funakoshi, and Kano and some other budoka. Not 100% correct, but not too bad.


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    Re: Jigoro Kano and karate (Kenwa Mabuni, Gichin Funakoshi etc.)

    Post by cokiee on Thu May 19, 2016 3:02 am

    wdax wrote:
    cokiee wrote:Could you expound please?

    From the top of my head...

    Kano defined Judo in a wider sense as the application of seiryoku-zenyo and jita-kyo´ei in all spheres of live. This also includes of course all budo. In this (philosophical) meaning, budo is a part of judo. "Judo in the narrow sense" is the martial art, defined by it´s technical syllabus, the methods of practice etc.

    It seems, that Kano´s ultimate goal was to get all martial arts under his philosophy and a way of achieving this, was to include them (also) technically into Kodokan Judo. Beside of course, that other martial arts had to offer something to improve his judo....

    Ah, thank you. That does sound in a way like the 'dao' concept that exists in Chinese culture/religion.

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