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    Why was the Openweight dropped from Judo ?

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    davidn

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    Re: Why was the Openweight dropped from Judo ?

    Post by davidn on Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:02 pm

    Jonesy wrote:
    I have done randori with Peter Seisenbacher at the London Budokwai. It was newaza only but can attest to him being spectacularly strong - unbelievably so.

    The most notable open weight success is of course Isao Okano who twice won the All Japan's as a middleweight.

    Okano amazing of course, but didn't Koga make the finals one year? Even though he lost, making the finals at 71k is pretty successful.

    Anatol

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    Re: Why was the Openweight dropped from Judo ?

    Post by Anatol on Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:54 pm

    Hi davidn

    Koga was runner up at the All Japan open weight in 1990.

    The difference to Okano:

    Koga got his wins over the heavyweights by not being thrown and being active, therefore wins by hantei.

    Okano on the other hand threw the heavyweights quite regularly, winning by Ippon and Waza-ari.

    Koga at the All Japan 1990:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtYk7NIeM_g

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmBWKoo0bys

    Final against Ogawa

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_BYs7zFUOg&t=10m10s

    Nethertheless an incredible performance!
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    BillC

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    Re: Why was the Openweight dropped from Judo ?

    Post by BillC on Thu Sep 01, 2016 3:01 am

    While not a fan of "what if" statements ... I do wonder if heavyweights are getting stronger over time ... and more skilled? Not just heavier.


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    Re: Why was the Openweight dropped from Judo ?

    Post by Y-Chromosome on Thu Sep 01, 2016 3:57 am

    BillC wrote:While not a fan of "what if" statements ... I do wonder if heavyweights are getting stronger over time ... and more skilled?  Not just heavier.

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    Kimura
    Geesink
    Yamashita Yasuhiro
    Riner
    Kronos (of Rigel 7)

    Been looking for this Doctor, who's supposed to hang around near a blue phone booth (that only calls the police?).
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    Re: Why was the Openweight dropped from Judo ?

    Post by Anatol on Thu Sep 01, 2016 7:12 am

    Hi BillC

    I do wonder if heavyweights are getting stronger over time ... and more skilled? Not just heavier.

    From my point of view the technically most skilled heavyweights were

    Parisi

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSgVNeVoW3A

    Yamashita

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dMHxeCdpFs

    Tmenov

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WrziXxd1vY

    Muneta

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU8Rym-OpaI

    Suzuki

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NDJvkFz4ro

    The smartest heavyweight:

    Mikhailin

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S70yAeCmqv0


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    NBK

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    Re: Why was the Openweight dropped from Judo ?

    Post by NBK on Thu Sep 01, 2016 6:18 pm

    BillC wrote:While not a fan of "what if" statements ... I do wonder if heavyweights are getting stronger over time ... and more skilled?  Not just heavier.
    I would bet that they are stronger over time kilo for kilo - reflecting modern nutrition notions, equipment and training regimes.

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    Re: Why was the Openweight dropped from Judo ?

    Post by Anatol on Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:21 pm

    Just looked at the results of Open weight Worldchampionships 1985 - 2010

    and there were no medal winners not being heavyweights with two exceptions:

    WC 2003 Osaka: Keji Suzuki - Gold

    WC 2001 Munich: Ariel Zeevi - Silver

    In the 70's there were a few Judoka -93kg, who could compete with the heavyweights like

    Van de Walle (1981)

    Lorenz (won the open weight olympic games 1980 Moscow but ...)

    Ninomyia

    Chochisvili

    Parisi

    Sekine

    It seems, that from the 80's on, you only had a chance in open weight division if you were a real heavyweight.

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