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    is this a Kano quote ?

    Post by Jihef on Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:31 am

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    Hello all, it has been awhile since I last visited here.

    I stumbled on this supposed Kano quote, somewhere on the Internets :
    "You fought like young bulls locking horns; there was nothing refined or dignified about any of the techniques I witnessed today. I never taught anyone to do Kodokan Judo like that. If all you can think about is winning through brute strength, that will be the end of Kodokan Judo"

    So, my question to you, men of Culture and fine taste, does anyone knows where it came from ?

    I do kind of like it, so I am curious.

    Regards to all of you,
    J-F.


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    Re: is this a Kano quote ?

    Post by Jonesy on Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:06 am

    I've heard it before. Will check my sources.
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    Re: is this a Kano quote ?

    Post by Jihef on Sun Dec 11, 2016 3:59 am

    Jonesy wrote:I've heard it before. Will check my sources.
    Thanks.

    I've originally seen it here :
    http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~yian/roots.htm


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    Re: is this a Kano quote ?

    Post by Rensa on Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:51 am

    I've seen it here, in Dutch, which is not a problem for Jihef: http://www.truefork.org/Hajime/jujutsu_judo.htm. Maybe you can find out where Eli Steenput has found the quote.


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    Re: is this a Kano quote ?

    Post by Jihef on Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:55 am

    Rensa wrote:Maybe you can find out where Eli Steenput has found the quote.
    Well, I asked him, and he translated it from… Steven R. Cunningham also.

    So, the same source…
    http://unm.wsrjj.org/roots.htm


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    Re: is this a Kano quote ?

    Post by Rensa on Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:39 pm

    Hmmm and with the disclaimer below that page ("*Most of this is from oral transmissions (kuden), personal notes, and so on. In some cases, my ear may not have been able to properly discriminate the Japanese sounds, so I apologize for any errors. Undoubtedly, there are also omissions. ") I doubt that this quote is a 'certified' Kano quote. Although it's not a word that doesn't fit in. Kano had such opinions about judo and brute strength.


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    Re: is this a Kano quote ?

    Post by Jihef on Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:00 am

    Jonesy wrote:I've heard it before. Will check my sources.
    I believe it is in “Three Budo Masters” by John Stevens, but I do not have the english version of that book. Could someone have a look and check this ?

    Although I do not think J. Stevens cites his sources, I may be wrong… bounce

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    Re: is this a Kano quote ?

    Post by Meitetsu on Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:25 am

    I found a Japanese person asking the same question and it is attributed to Kano with regards to fighting at close range.
    嘉納治五郎は至近距離で組み合う柔道を見て、
    「これでは牛の角突き合いではないか。This is like two bulls locking hornsみんな当て身(打撃技)でやられてしまうEveryone is just going to get done in by Atemi strikes。これは私の考えている柔道ではない This is not the image of Judo I have.」
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    Re: is this a Kano quote ?

    Post by Jihef on Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:27 pm

    Meitetsu wrote:I found a Japanese person asking the same question and it is attributed to Kano with regards to fighting at close range.
    嘉納治五郎は至近距離で組み合う柔道を見て、
    「これでは牛の角突き合いではないか。This is like two bulls locking hornsみんな当て身(打撃技)でやられてしまうEveryone is just going to get done in by Atemi strikes。これは私の考えている柔道ではない This is not the image of Judo I have.」
    Hello Eric, thanks for joining in.
    Where (which book) did you find it, please. Thanks.
    J-F.


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    Re: is this a Kano quote ?

    Post by Meitetsu on Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:47 pm

    Jihef wrote:
    Meitetsu wrote:I found a Japanese person asking the same question and it is attributed to Kano with regards to fighting at close range.
    嘉納治五郎は至近距離で組み合う柔道を見て、
    「これでは牛の角突き合いではないか。This is like two bulls locking hornsみんな当て身(打撃技)でやられてしまうEveryone is just going to get done in by Atemi strikes。これは私の考えている柔道ではない This is not the image of Judo I have.」
    Hello Eric, thanks for joining in.
    Where (which book) did you find it, please. Thanks.
    J-F.

    Sorry I found it on a Japanese Q&A page online. I couldn't find the source.
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    Re: is this a Kano quote ?

    Post by Jihef on Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:51 pm

    Meitetsu wrote: Sorry I found it on a Japanese Q&A page online.  I couldn't find the source.
    Ah, well… Fat chance.

    Welcome aboard, BTW. Very Happy


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    Re: is this a Kano quote ?

    Post by NBK on Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:55 am

    Interestingly (for about 3 people around the planet) Kano shihan was concerned about how to train judoka to deal with boxers and being engaged from a distance.

    That this could be an instance addressing that issue is interesting. To me, at least.

    Thanks, Meitetsu

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    Meitetsu wrote:
    Jihef wrote:
    Meitetsu wrote:I found a Japanese person asking the same question and it is attributed to Kano with regards to fighting at close range.
    嘉納治五郎は至近距離で組み合う柔道を見て、
    「これでは牛の角突き合いではないか。This is like two bulls locking hornsみんな当て身(打撃技)でやられてしまうEveryone is just going to get done in by Atemi strikes。これは私の考えている柔道ではない This is not the image of Judo I have.」
    Hello Eric, thanks for joining in.
    Where (which book) did you find it, please. Thanks.
    J-F.

    Sorry I found it on a Japanese Q&A page online.  I couldn't find the source.

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