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    noboru

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    Kyusho any experinces,opinions

    Post by noboru on Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:18 am

    Hello,
    have you got any personal experiences with Kyusho ( Kyusho jutsu ) systems (Kyusho International, Evan Pantazzi, Jim Corn etc.)?

    Some info:

    https://kyusho.com/KMA.htm
    http://www.karatebyjesse.com/evan-pantazi-kyusho-pressure-point-interview/

    Videos

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8M5zN1WXhk


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    Re: Kyusho any experinces,opinions

    Post by Y-Chromosome on Sat Dec 24, 2016 4:40 am

    BS detectors are going WOOOO WOOOO WOOOOOOO!!!!

    DougNZ

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    Post by DougNZ on Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:26 am

    In the martial arts, anything is possible when uke is stationary and compliant. Whole systems, all around the world, are based on this.

    johan smits

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    Post by johan smits on Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:31 pm

    Hi all,

    I found an old text on kyushojutsu Shocked .
    Due to old age and bad quality of paper it was difficult to read but it translates something like this:


    I can make any man jump
    Using only my thumb
    I creep up from behind
    With only one thing on my mind
    My thumb callous and sparse
    I’ ll shove it right up his …

    The kanji for the last word I could not make out.

    Happy landings.
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    Post by NBK on Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:24 pm

    The earliest books on judo had extensive kyusho charts, which were simplified over decades, and finally disappeared completely, along with most atemi / striking instruction. This is from Yokoyama et al's Judo Kyohan 1913 chapter on atemi waza. This book is generally seen as the first judo book, as the Kodokan does not recognize the earlier ones as 'judo' books:



    We cover some basic kyusho targets for punches and knuckle jabs in Nihon Jujutsu, with some simple, controlled demonstrations to convince people they exist and can be attacked effectively.  
    www.facebook.com/nihonjujutsu

    I address the topic a bit in judo instruction, mostly as an introduction to judo's technical development over time, and the removal of techniques like atemiwaza and kyusho from jujutsu to develop judo.
    www.facebook.com/usejc

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    Post by DougNZ on Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:20 pm

    Hahahaha! Must be a rather obscure text.

    johan smits wrote:Hi all,

    I found an old text on kyushojutsu Shocked .
    Due to old age and bad quality of paper it was difficult to read but it translates something like this:


    I can make any man jump
    Using only my thumb
    I creep up from behind
    With only one thing on my mind
    My thumb callous and sparse
    I’ ll shove it right up his …

    The kanji for the last word I could not make out.

    Happy landings.

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    Post by johan smits on Sat Dec 31, 2016 7:41 am

    It is a rather obscure text, true.
    It's author, a jujutsu master of some repute is rumoured to have gone bonkers later in life.
    Having said that I must admit I do train and teach kyusho but only when they are part of the kata we use.
    We experimented with kyusho and in a dojo environment during moderate traning they do hurt and work to some extent.
    When working more all out they seem to lose a lot of their effectiveness.
    These kyusho work the best, from my point of view when using them in an offensive way against someone who is not really fighting you.

    My two cents.

    Happy landings

    DougNZ

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    Post by DougNZ on Sat Dec 31, 2016 10:30 pm

    Against an aggresive opponent, it is hard enough to do the 'big stuff', let alone hit precise targets at the correct angle.

    Against a less aggressive opponent, why use kyusho when other controlling options are more appropriate within the law?

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    Post by johan smits on Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:49 pm

    First best wishes to all of you for 2017!!!

    May all your landings be happy ones.

    On topic:

    Yes availabillity is always an issue. Because of a fast moving opponent or just because of clothing. Leather jackets or winter clothes for instance leave less targets available.
    In one of the kata we do we control an opponent and then use a kyusho under the ear. Not so much to make him give up but to train to reach that kyusho without looking at the target. Also to constrict his vision (away from the defender) to make a counter attack more difficult.

    Happy landings.

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    Re: Kyusho any experinces,opinions

    Post by DougNZ on Sun Jan 01, 2017 3:35 pm

    Y-Chromosome wrote:BS detectors are going WOOOO WOOOO WOOOOOOO!!!!

    That big talking, big head in the first video is a disgrace. Fancy knocking out compliant partners and then not even having the care to reverse the results of his own actions. Instead he stands back with hands clasped, full of pride in his work and without any care for his training partner. Disgraceful!!! Makes me mad to watch it! Evil or Very Mad

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