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    Emanuele2

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    Royce Gracie vs top judoka

    Post by Emanuele2 on Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:50 pm

    Hello to everybody.
    In BJJ/MMA fanatics forums, I often read that Remco Pardoel was a judo beast, a judo phenomenon ecc. to magnify the Royce's victory.
    Surely Remco had a very good judo game, he was born and lived in a judo powerhouse (Netherlands), but he never won an European Championship, a World Championship or an Olympic Championship.
    But if Royce, in 1994, had found in the cage a 1994 David Douiellet (European gold medalist, World gold medalist and Olympic bronze medalist) or a 2005 Keiji Suzuki (Asian, World and Olympic champion)? I am certain we would have another UFC 2 winner.


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    Re: Royce Gracie vs top judoka

    Post by Emanuele2 on Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:14 pm

    Yes, I knew. Not exactly a judo beast.
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    Re: Royce Gracie vs top judoka

    Post by Y-Chromosome on Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:05 am

    Emanuele2 wrote:Hello to everybody.
    In BJJ/MMA fanatics forums, I often read that Remco Pardoel was a judo beast, a judo phenomenon ecc. to magnifying the Royce's victory.
    Surely Remco had a very good judo game, he was born and lived in a judo powerhouse (Netherlands), but he never won an European Championship, a World Championship or an Olympic Championship.
    But if Royce, in 1994, had found in the cage a 1994 David Douiellet (European gold medalist, World gold medalist and Olympic bronze medalist) or a 2005 Keiji Suzuki (Asian, World and Olympic champion)? I am certain we would have another UFC 2 winner.

    If he had run into Yoshida Hidehiko coming recently off his 1992 Olympic Gold, instead of 10 years after when they finally met in a special pride match, that would have been interesting.
    Yoshida was never really at his prime throughout his MMA career.

    Oh .... and Royce was out... no question about it. He clearly goes limp in the video.

    The UFC has never been able to attract the very top of the Judo heap. Even Ronda Rousey never won World or Olympic Gold, so we still don't really know what the very best would be able to do.

    That said, even if a Judo Olympic Gold medalist in their primer were to enter the UFC, that's no guarantee of success without extensive extra training. The MMA has just evolved too much for a pure Judo trained fighter to survive without spending extensive time filling in the gaps in their skill set.

    Don't hold your breath because the IJF seems intent on making sure it never happens.

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    Re: Royce Gracie vs top judoka

    Post by Emanuele2 on Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:48 am

    Y-Chromosome wrote:If he had run into Yoshida Hidehiko coming recently off his 1992 Olympic Gold, instead of 10 years after when they finally met in a special pride match, that would have been interesting.
    Yoshida was never really at his prime throughout his MMA career.
    I think that Yoshida would have drew with Royce, too similar.

    Y-Chromosome wrote:That said, even if a Judo Olympic Gold medalist in their primer were to enter the UFC, that's no guarantee of success without extensive extra training.  The MMA has just evolved too much for a pure Judo trained fighter to survive without spending extensive time filling in the gaps in their skill set.
    Since 2000s it is like you said. But in the second UFC a pure judo would have been sufficent.
    A David Douillet in 1994 (25 years old; 196 cm for 125 kg, Euro champion, Wolrd champion Olympic bronze) would have murdered Royce (just 183 cm for 80 kg).

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    Re: Royce Gracie vs top judoka

    Post by Emanuele2 on Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:12 pm

    Y-Chromosome wrote:If he had run into Yoshida Hidehiko coming recently off his 1992 Olympic Gold, instead of 10 years after when they finally met in a special pride match, that would have been interesting.
    Yoshida was never really at his prime throughout his MMA career.
    About Royce vs Yoshida in their prime (1992/1993) we discussed here. http://judo.forumsmotion.com/t1683-what-would-have-done-a-1993-hidehiko-yoshida-in-mma

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