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    afja_lm139

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    Re: is there a difference between being good at judo, and being good at winning judo tournaments?

    Post by afja_lm139 on Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:34 am

    Something about kohaku shiai that separated do gooders from the good doers.

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    Re: is there a difference between being good at judo, and being good at winning judo tournaments?

    Post by GregW on Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:09 pm

    To me, the best judo is the kind that is practiced with total heart and commitment, while respecting the principle of mutual welfare and benefit. There's nothing I love more than watching two 10 year-olds whose only throws are osotogari and ogoshi thrash away at each other with total abandon then, after one of them scores, one helps the other up off the mat and pats his opponent on the back. There's so much heart there. Whether that happens in randori or in shiai, that's the best judo.

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    Re: is there a difference between being good at judo, and being good at winning judo tournaments?

    Post by aiyotsu on Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:55 am

    hello FightingSirit You seem to have tactics and straegy back to front (mostly)
    Strategy comes from a Greek word meaning generalship.
    It is the plan of the high command. Tactics are the action taken by the troops on the spot to implement the strategy.
    Therefore strategy is the plan tactic is the action.
    FightingSpirit wrote:Yes, winning matches and tournaments involve the application of tactics, techniques and strategies by coaches and judoka… Whereas the application of tournament type tactics and strategies are NOT necessarily prevalent in the application of good judo techniques exercised during randori.

    Tactics – contribute to scoring, which lead to winning matches that lead to winning tournaments. Tactics involve your ability to apply your specific judo skills (techniques) at the time and place of your choosing to seize a position of advantage over your opponent. Similarly, tactics are applied during a match in a manner to optimize your scoring potential, while minimizing your opponents scoring potential. Tactics also involve minimizing your penalties relative to your ability to create conditions to enable stalling penalties against your opponent.

    Strategies – Involve applying such tactics at the time and place of your choosing, with respective to a game plan for winning each respective match given the specific opponent, referees, scenario-situation, clock-time, or match number. You may have a different strategy (game plan) to win against different opponents relative to matching up your strengths and weaknesses against their known strengths and/or weaknesses. You may have a different strategy for opponents in your first match, then in your semi-finals or finals match.

    Being good at judo tournaments also involves planning for and having the ability to smartly sustain yourself over a longer period of time over the course of a day. Requires creating conditions for sustaining mental and physical endurance (proactively avoiding mental/physical fatigue); which involves maintaining ones health thru the appropriate replenishment for the available recovery time to include treating any sore muscles, or injuries and being mentally and physically prepared to fight on when your number is next called…

    Also Yes, if one prescribes to the Rhadi Ferguson school of thought where ‘Ugly Judo’ can be very effective for enabling great athletes with the means to win judo tournaments.
    Rhadi’s most recent take on providing a coaches perspective on how to coach within the ‘New Rules’ provides at least one good example for how tactics and strategy (vs techniques) can come into play for purpose of winning matches, which lead to winning tournaments. His coaches perspective is to find the angle to game the system to ensure his judoka have an advantage to win matches within the given rules...

    [url=Rhadi Ferguson breaks-down New Rules 2013-2016:]http://www.firstpost.com/topic/person/the-game-new-ijf-rules-2013-2016-grip-fighting-armbars-and-more-video-UQm2788luoc-48466-5.html[/url]
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    Re: is there a difference between being good at judo, and being good at winning judo tournaments?

    Post by judoratt on Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:45 pm

    aiyotsu wrote:hello FightingSirit You seem to have tactics and straegy back to front (mostly)
    Strategy comes from a Greek word meaning generalship.
    It is the plan of the high command. Tactics are the action taken by the troops on the spot to implement the strategy.
    Therefore strategy is the plan tactic is the action.
    FightingSpirit wrote:Yes, winning matches and tournaments involve the application of tactics, techniques and strategies by coaches and judoka… Whereas the application of tournament type tactics and strategies are NOT necessarily prevalent in the application of good judo techniques exercised during randori.

    Tactics – contribute to scoring, which lead to winning matches that lead to winning tournaments. Tactics involve your ability to apply your specific judo skills (techniques) at the time and place of your choosing to seize a position of advantage over your opponent. Similarly, tactics are applied during a match in a manner to optimize your scoring potential, while minimizing your opponents scoring potential. Tactics also involve minimizing your penalties relative to your ability to create conditions to enable stalling penalties against your opponent.

    Strategies – Involve applying such tactics at the time and place of your choosing, with respective to a game plan for winning each respective match given the specific opponent, referees, scenario-situation, clock-time, or match number. You may have a different strategy (game plan) to win against different opponents relative to matching up your strengths and weaknesses against their known strengths and/or weaknesses. You may have a different strategy for opponents in your first match, then in your semi-finals or finals match.

    Being good at judo tournaments also involves planning for and having the ability to smartly sustain yourself over a longer period of time over the course of a day. Requires creating conditions for sustaining mental and physical endurance (proactively avoiding mental/physical fatigue); which involves maintaining ones health thru the appropriate replenishment for the available recovery time to include treating any sore muscles, or injuries and being mentally and physically prepared to fight on when your number is next called…

    Also Yes, if one prescribes to the Rhadi Ferguson school of thought where ‘Ugly Judo’ can be very effective for enabling great athletes with the means to win judo tournaments.
    Rhadi’s most recent take on providing a coaches perspective on how to coach within the ‘New Rules’ provides at least one good example for how tactics and strategy (vs techniques) can come into play for purpose of winning matches, which lead to winning tournaments. His coaches perspective is to find the angle to game the system to ensure his judoka have an advantage to win matches within the given rules...

    [url=Rhadi Ferguson breaks-down New Rules 2013-2016:]http://www.firstpost.com/topic/person/the-game-new-ijf-rules-2013-2016-grip-fighting-armbars-and-more-video-UQm2788luoc-48466-5.html[/url]

    Funny thing Rhadi has the answers to the new rules but I must have missed him at Nationals this year, just didn't seee him with any athletes. Surprised Surprised
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    Re: is there a difference between being good at judo, and being good at winning judo tournaments?

    Post by Ben Reinhardt on Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:21 am

    That link is dead/re Rhadi's post on new rules.


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    Re: is there a difference between being good at judo, and being good at winning judo tournaments?

    Post by FightingSpirit on Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:05 pm

    yep, hmm...

    Try this link:
    Rhadi on New Rules


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    Re: is there a difference between being good at judo, and being good at winning judo tournaments?

    Post by Q mystic on Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:55 am

    I miss Rhadi. Judo fans should be better friends. Crying or Very sad


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