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    Luke San

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    Tattoo removal

    Post by Luke San on Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:24 pm

    Dear members, this is Luke San from the old forum. It's been a while since I have posted or even been on this/the old forum as I started another business and have had to take a break from Judo.

    I would like to hear peoples thoughts on tattoo removal. I believe this would be the best place to discuss it as people can generally understand my personal circumstances and I imagine there is a good balance of pro/anti tattoo attitudes.

    So here goes, please let me tell you about my background.
    I have a tattoo of a spider about 3 inches on the top of my right arm. I live in Japan and have done for nearly 10 years, and recently since my son was born 3 and a half years ago my wife has been nagging me to get rid of it. I visited a clinic for an evaluation and it seems it is very possible and the cost is not an issue.

    For those who don't know, tattoos in Japan are socially unacceptable, and although this doesn't really effect me personally, I have always tried to keep it hidden, rather difficult when changing at the dojo. The reason my wife is keen for me to have it removed is that we often go to onsen (natural hot springs) with family and 100% of them say tattoos are not allowed. She is in herself not worried about me having one, and she knew this before we married. I'm not the kind of person to ignore this and don't expect a whole countries attitude to change just for me, I am very keen on integration, so I tape it up, this is acceptable, but my wife and myself believe this is not a good influence for our son. A friend of mine was actually asked to leave/escorted out with his son and wife in hand. The son was too young to understand, but this would be very embarrassing when he is older.

    Here are some of my personal reasons to keep it.
    1. (The biggest reason)I had the tattoo done when I was 18, 15 years ago, with my best friend who last year was killed in Afghanistan. This was one of many first experiences we shared over our 25 year friendship and I would feel terrible about getting rid of something we shared, on the other hand, that memory is clear in my mind like yesterday and I don't feel I need to have the tattoo to remember that experience.
    2. I kind of like tattoos.
    3. Well, that's about it really.

    My reasons to have it removed;
    1. I live in a country where it is socially unacceptable to have one and I want to fully integrate myself into society.
    2. I'm always trying to hide it.
    3. It may/does cause embarrassment for my family/friends.
    4. I believe it is a bad influence for my son.
    5. I don't believe it is cool or fashionable anymore.
    6. It's not a particularly good tattoo.

    Well that's about it, positive or negative comments welcome, I'm interested in both.

    Thanks in advance,

    Luke.


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    Re: Tattoo removal

    Post by Guest on Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:06 am

    Luke San wrote:Dear members, this is Luke San from the old forum. It's been a while since I have posted or even been on this/the old forum as I started another business and have had to take a break from Judo.

    I would like to hear peoples thoughts on tattoo removal. I believe this would be the best place to discuss it as people can generally understand my personal circumstances and I imagine there is a good balance of pro/anti tattoo attitudes.

    So here goes, please let me tell you about my background.
    I have a tattoo of a spider about 3 inches on the top of my right arm. I live in Japan and have done for nearly 10 years, and recently since my son was born 3 and a half years ago my wife has been nagging me to get rid of it. I visited a clinic for an evaluation and it seems it is very possible and the cost is not an issue.

    For those who don't know, tattoos in Japan are socially unacceptable, and although this doesn't really effect me personally, I have always tried to keep it hidden, rather difficult when changing at the dojo. The reason my wife is keen for me to have it removed is that we often go to onsen (natural hot springs) with family and 100% of them say tattoos are not allowed. She is in herself not worried about me having one, and she knew this before we married. I'm not the kind of person to ignore this and don't expect a whole countries attitude to change just for me, I am very keen on integration, so I tape it up, this is acceptable, but my wife and myself believe this is not a good influence for our son. A friend of mine was actually asked to leave/escorted out with his son and wife in hand. The son was too young to understand, but this would be very embarrassing when he is older.

    Here are some of my personal reasons to keep it.
    1. (The biggest reason)I had the tattoo done when I was 18, 15 years ago, with my best friend who last year was killed in Afghanistan. This was one of many first experiences we shared over our 25 year friendship and I would feel terrible about getting rid of something we shared, on the other hand, that memory is clear in my mind like yesterday and I don't feel I need to have the tattoo to remember that experience.
    2. I kind of like tattoos.
    3. Well, that's about it really.

    My reasons to have it removed;
    1. I live in a country where it is socially unacceptable to have one and I want to fully integrate myself into society.
    2. I'm always trying to hide it.
    3. It may/does cause embarrassment for my family/friends.
    4. I believe it is a bad influence for my son.
    5. I don't believe it is cool or fashionable anymore.
    6. It's not a particularly good tattoo.

    Well that's about it, positive or negative comments welcome, I'm interested in both.

    Thanks in advance,

    Luke.

    It sounds to me that you want to have it removed. I like tattoos. I especially like them on women. I have one and plan on getting more. What you choose to do to your body is a personal thing and I would never advocate what you should do with your own body. I also don't think society should pressure you to look a certain way unless it is outside of the confines of the law. Please keep in mind that I am saying what I am saying in the context of being an American citizen living in the United States. I can't begin to understand the pressures you are facing socially in a foreign country. Perhaps a cheaper alternative would be to get a tattoo that covers up your current one which blends it with the rest of your skin. In other words, a tattoo of skin where no one would see the difference. A good artist should be able to do that.
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    Re: Tattoo removal

    Post by Cichorei Kano on Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:18 am

    Luke San wrote:Dear members, this is Luke San from the old forum. It's been a while since I have posted or even been on this/the old forum as I started another business and have had to take a break from Judo.

    I would like to hear peoples thoughts on tattoo removal. I believe this would be the best place to discuss it as people can generally understand my personal circumstances and I imagine there is a good balance of pro/anti tattoo attitudes.

    So here goes, please let me tell you about my background.
    I have a tattoo of a spider about 3 inches on the top of my right arm. I live in Japan and have done for nearly 10 years, and recently since my son was born 3 and a half years ago my wife has been nagging me to get rid of it. I visited a clinic for an evaluation and it seems it is very possible and the cost is not an issue.

    For those who don't know, tattoos in Japan are socially unacceptable, and although this doesn't really effect me personally, I have always tried to keep it hidden, rather difficult when changing at the dojo. The reason my wife is keen for me to have it removed is that we often go to onsen (natural hot springs) with family and 100% of them say tattoos are not allowed. She is in herself not worried about me having one, and she knew this before we married. I'm not the kind of person to ignore this and don't expect a whole countries attitude to change just for me, I am very keen on integration, so I tape it up, this is acceptable, but my wife and myself believe this is not a good influence for our son. A friend of mine was actually asked to leave/escorted out with his son and wife in hand. The son was too young to understand, but this would be very embarrassing when he is older.

    Here are some of my personal reasons to keep it.
    1. (The biggest reason)I had the tattoo done when I was 18, 15 years ago, with my best friend who last year was killed in Afghanistan. This was one of many first experiences we shared over our 25 year friendship and I would feel terrible about getting rid of something we shared, on the other hand, that memory is clear in my mind like yesterday and I don't feel I need to have the tattoo to remember that experience.
    2. I kind of like tattoos.
    3. Well, that's about it really.

    My reasons to have it removed;
    1. I live in a country where it is socially unacceptable to have one and I want to fully integrate myself into society.
    2. I'm always trying to hide it.
    3. It may/does cause embarrassment for my family/friends.
    4. I believe it is a bad influence for my son.
    5. I don't believe it is cool or fashionable anymore.
    6. It's not a particularly good tattoo.

    Well that's about it, positive or negative comments welcome, I'm interested in both.

    Thanks in advance,

    Luke.

    Have it removed, but request to see pictures of previous patients or ask if you could talk to someone who actually had his/her tattoos removed by the person you are considering to take care of yours. Getting a tattoo is oftentimes a decision made when one is young and when one because of age or potentially seriously changing circumstances in future (like in your case) one is unable to sufficiently predict the consequences. I would certainly not recommend to have another tattoo on top for the simple reason that it is not the fact that your current tattoo happens to be a spider or one that is not particularly well done that is the problem, but the simple fact that you have a tattoo and one that can only kept invisible with sustained and daily attention and measures taken by you, which are socially difficulty to keep up in your home environment. Under those circumstances I think that it is a no-brainer, particularly since your personal thoughts and emotions seem to have evolved sufficiently so that your mind would be at peace with it.


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    Re: Tattoo removal

    Post by Hanon on Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:24 am

    Hi Luke,

    I know in my mind that you already know the answer to this.

    Individual adult rights are important as are ones principles. Respecting other cultures is important. This is a two way street in that though you live in Japan you may like to adopt certain Japanese cultures but the Japanese may also like to consider their perspective on respecting non Japanese cultures.
    This sort of situation is always going to be difficult. Should you totally adopt their culture or should they bend a little to accept a part of yours?

    Here is my reply. As an adult you will survive having a tattoo, you are old enough, also wise enough, to see this insignificant mark will cause your family some problems. If having a tattoo affects your children you will know what to do.

    I am very sorry to learn of the loss of your friend. As you write he is with you every day in ever way and a tattoo is meaningless to him. Your love of him is all that matters, in your heart and in your thoughts. I think you are a very wise, brave man who will do what's best for your children.

    Let us know how things go with having the tattoo removed, will it leave some sort of scar?

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    Re: Tattoo removal

    Post by ThePieman on Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:04 am

    Take a photo of the tattoo and put it with the photos of your friend, you'll always have the memories but you have a new life now.


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    Re: Tattoo removal

    Post by Stacey on Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:41 am

    I agree with CK - if you have it removed, make sure you see pictures of the remover's work on other tats.

    Get a picture of the tat. Should you move someplace else and decide you want the tat back, you'll have the picture. And, you can find a better tattoo artist to do a much better job. By that time, your son will be of an age where he'll think it's cool and he may want one too.
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    Re: Tattoo removal

    Post by Jonesy on Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:47 pm

    I can understand your sentimental attachment to the tattoo, but people often get tattoos when they are young, toned and quite often foolish. The consequences of having something with you for life are hardly ever thought through. What looks "cool" when one is 18 often looks foolish when one is 30 and usually looks bloody awful when one is 60+

    Tattoos have a strong place in certain cultures but these tend not to be Western ones - unless they have some sort of "tribal" component e.g. prison, gangs or military.

    Personally I find them unsightly and detest them on women - just Google for pictures of Cheryl Cole.

    I would go ahead and have it removed but photograph it as others have suggested.


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    Re: Tattoo removal

    Post by Gus on Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:01 am

    Get a waterproof , skin coloured covering for occasions where it might show :
    you could use this handy waterproof tatoo cover :

    http://www.hideink.com/

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    Put yourself into your son's shoes.

    Post by Cydney on Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:48 pm

    I know how it feels when you want to keep something you really like but in the end you have to get rid of it due to certain aspects that will cause more harm rather than good. The reasons that you listed already shows that keeping your tattoo will bring more negative effects to you and your family in the future. Try to put yourself into your son's shoes. How does it feels when somebody mocking you just because of your dad have a tattoo in the middle of the society that did not take tattoo as a good thing? you have to take your son's feeling & your society perception into consideration before making any decision. Think wisely.. Smile
    If you decide to remove your tattoo, I am recommend you to check out Anne Mady's website. She have really good information regarding tattoo removal.
    All the best. Very Happy

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    Re: Tattoo removal

    Post by Gus on Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:49 am

    Cydney wrote:The reasons that you listed already shows that keeping your tattoo will bring more negative effects to you and your family in the future.

    Not if he covers it up with a waterproof skin tone specific covering - he gets the both of both worlds - he gets to keep something of great sentimental value to him, and not offend the host culture.

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    Re: Tattoo removal

    Post by Luke San on Sun Mar 24, 2013 2:51 am

    Thank you for the replies everyone.

    From a few of your replies, it has strengthened my reasons to have it removed, and therefore have decided that is what I will do.
    Covering it up is OK, but the feeling I have goes much deeper than that, it has to go.

    Stacy, thanks for the reply, but I sicerely hope my son never considers getting a tattoo, and the process of having it removed I hope will be a positive experience for him.

    The clinic which I have decided on is a reputable dermitologist with many photos of satisfied patients. (Weather they are true patients of his is of course impossible to prove) but I have to have an element of trust.

    The treatment is laser (burning) with 75% of the colour being removed after the first treatment. It's then best to wait 6 months for the aera to heal completely before your next burn. Funny thing is one treatment costs about 4 times as much as the tattoo cost me!! That's life though!!

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    Re: Tattoo removal

    Post by Luke San on Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:18 pm

    So here it is before the first removal session. Went ok, no pain when they were doing it but a bit sore now. Will upload to more pictures to show the progress.
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    Re: Tattoo removal

    Post by NBK on Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:28 pm

    Just had a thought - you could always get a much smaller copy in a much less conspicuous place.

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    Re: Tattoo removal

    Post by Stacey on Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:55 am

    congrats on making your decision.  hope the treatment goes well and you continue having little or no pain.

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