Q mystic wrote:
I do like taking back and looking for a choke to score aggression points, tho I know it typically won't work on another comp judoka. I suspect if I started hammering him in the 'temples and ears' he'd stand up, even with me on his back and get away and maybe smoke me pretty quick, especially if I had busted knuckles. Hence the palm strike.lol
If he is able to stand up when you're on his back you're not doing it right.
Q mystic wrote:Or, just how hard does one intend to throw strikes from here? Cuz I rarely see them hurting him. In fact, even in mma, I rarely see them hurting all that much outside of wear and tear, even with gloves, in elites.
People fairly often get pounded out from the back in MMA even though the back of the head, which is the most obvious and dangerous target, is illegal. A former coach of mine got overexcited and elbowed the back of the head in an MMA fight and gave the guy a fairly bad concussion with two shots (and was then promptly disqualified).
Q mystic wrote:I think, if you can smoke someone via taking the back, then you could've smoked them anywhere, anyways, and personally just consider it a waste of YOUR efficiency. Take back, for sure, just don't let the training for it cut into your frontal assault.lol
This I can't decode. It's more efficient to attack the back because he doesn't have any limbs there to stop you and you can strike him without fear of effective retaliation. These things obviously don't apply in Judo competition.
mma is taped fists and gloves which isnt the same imo but I hear you with the elbow.
I guess the part that I didn't make clear is that while I do feel taking the back can be valuable, I just don't see it as efficient.
Sincerely Pointy, I'm not trolling, just chatting, but I guess my personal issue is this...(sry that I have to be more vague using the 'names')
In mma, between wrestling and bjj (both with many mma competitors), I see wrestlers primarily dominating via same old, same old trad top game. I would see these top positions as even much, much more advantageous without the gloves. I think this is what should be the forefront, especially when god knows how many older judoka on this forum, and the old jf, have wrestling experience or that judoka demo this just fine in mma as well. Albeit in more limited numbers.
To be clear...I know bjjers are killers. BJJ is awesome and I am hugely impressed. I have had my back taken pretty solid; however, I can't help but think if this bjjer/wrestler type had instead done judo/wrestling, he might've walked right thru me right off the hop. Maybe, because he is abusing my weak link.lol
Taking back is fine, but anyone who has ever wrestled or judo'd enuff will opt for 'their' easier positions of dominance and very few wrestler or judoka vets that I have seen in mma don't seem to take back much. If there were no strikes in mma, I bet we'd see alot more taking the back, like in grappling comps.
p.s. Also, I see taking-the-back work better for the 6 foot 145 lber in nogi much, much more than I do any others.
p.p.s. I know that bjj has alot of 'rolling'. Alot of medium to light-heavy randori newaza. When they go vs another equal in heavy randori, is the taking the back such a realistic option? Just asking because iirc the osaekomi come just as quick, if not quicker, in heavy judo newaza as well as pins in wrestling, than in medium randori.