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    Re: Australian Nationals - Curious sights!

    Post by Steve Leadbeater on Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:34 am

    I honestly don't think the events they regularly hold are ANYTHING LIKE THIS ONE.

    Some Liquor Licenses stipulate or add "Entertainment" clauses, especially "Short Term" Licenses,
    they also include warnings about Intoxication by Patrons and "Officials" under RSA Laws.



    RSA Responsible Service of Alcohol.

    Next question is........Did any of the organisers/officials hold a current RSA Certificate ??
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    Re: Australian Nationals - Curious sights!

    Post by judoratt on Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:43 am

    Kiichisai wrote:The apology from Mr Underpants:


    I am writing to the complainants, the JFA board and others that I may have offended.

    On Sunday evening 9 June my wife and I were patrons of the Open event which coincided with a dinner to create a ‘fight night’ atmosphere.  What I did, through a great deal of encouragement from other patrons at the event and competitors, was something done innocently and in the excitement of the moment.  It is not the sort of act I have done in the past, nor will I do so again in the future.  It was supposed to be in good humour in the interests of ‘gender equality’, as support for the female judokas, in competition with the girls escorting the male judokas.  In hindsight, it was careless and thoughtless.  Whether people found my behaviour funny and appropriate or confronting and embarrassing, at no time did I intend to be offensive. Unfortunately I allowed myself to be influenced and cheered on by others to act out of character and at no point was I thinking of those who may be offended.  I did not consider the feelings of the wider judo community, people in the seating above the arena, nor did I consider the negative impact that such vision would have when taken out of context on social media, and for this I apologise.

    I have endured the most distressing time in my 33 year Judo involvement over an error of judgement that has resulted in an extremely hurtful and damaging social media campaign affecting myself, my family and the JFA board.  Callously, someone also found it necessary to forward the YouTube clip to my employer.  The video circulated on social media does not represent the spirit of the evening, the true nature of judo in Australia or my standard behaviour but simply an error of judgement and regret.

    I am truly sorry for the hurt I may have caused you on the night.


    Regards



    Mark Callaway


    So thirty days after the event, 160 posts in to the subject and you come up with this as your apology? Shocked Shocked
    Do you have any other psots or statements made on the subject? This is a very small forum with less than 500 members including your self and you chose us for your statement. Surprised Surprised 
    Well thank you for posting hopefully when this all blows over you can join us for some more chating on other judo subjects.
    J.R.Smile Smile 
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    Re: Australian Nationals - Curious sights!

    Post by NBK on Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:36 pm

    judoratt wrote:
    Kiichisai wrote:The apology from Mr Underpants:


    I am writing to the complainants, the JFA board and others that I may have offended.

    On Sunday evening 9 June my wife and I were patrons of the Open event which coincided with a dinner to create a ‘fight night’ atmosphere.  What I did, through a great deal of encouragement from other patrons at the event and competitors, was something done innocently and in the excitement of the moment.  It is not the sort of act I have done in the past, nor will I do so again in the future.  It was supposed to be in good humour in the interests of ‘gender equality’, as support for the female judokas, in competition with the girls escorting the male judokas.  In hindsight, it was careless and thoughtless.  Whether people found my behaviour funny and appropriate or confronting and embarrassing, at no time did I intend to be offensive. Unfortunately I allowed myself to be influenced and cheered on by others to act out of character and at no point was I thinking of those who may be offended.  I did not consider the feelings of the wider judo community, people in the seating above the arena, nor did I consider the negative impact that such vision would have when taken out of context on social media, and for this I apologise.

    I have endured the most distressing time in my 33 year Judo involvement over an error of judgement that has resulted in an extremely hurtful and damaging social media campaign affecting myself, my family and the JFA board.  Callously, someone also found it necessary to forward the YouTube clip to my employer.  The video circulated on social media does not represent the spirit of the evening, the true nature of judo in Australia or my standard behaviour but simply an error of judgement and regret.

    I am truly sorry for the hurt I may have caused you on the night.


    Regards



    Mark Callaway


       So thirty days after the event, 160 posts in to the subject and you come up with this as your apology? Shocked Shocked
    Do you have any other psots or statements made on the subject?  This is a very small forum with less than 500 members including your self and you chose us for your statement. Surprised Surprised 
      Well thank you for posting hopefully when this all blows over you can join us for some more chating on other judo subjects.
                 J.R.Smile Smile 
    Perhaps we missed something - it looks like Kuchisai reposted Mr. Callaway's apologia, Mr. Callaway himself did not post.  No indication of where that was originally sent.

    But it does seem silly - someone prancing around like that is not 'acting out of character', he seemed really comfortable prancing around, distracting attention from his own player.  Perhaps he should give up judo for cabaret.  

    The 'gender equality' canard seems laughable to me.  Perhaps there was a bit too much fun at the dinner beforehand.  drunken 

    I'm still looking for video of the lady escorts, but I hardly think they'd be cavorting around like that, particularly during the match.  I imagine him in a clown suit and it is hardly less distracting.  jocolor 

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    Re: Australian Nationals - Curious sights!

    Post by BillC on Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:59 pm

    NBK wrote:
    judoratt wrote:
    Kiichisai wrote:The apology from Mr Underpants:


    I am writing to the complainants, the JFA board and others that I may have offended.

    On Sunday evening 9 June my wife and I were patrons of the Open event which coincided with a dinner to create a ‘fight night’ atmosphere.  What I did, through a great deal of encouragement from other patrons at the event and competitors, was something done innocently and in the excitement of the moment.  It is not the sort of act I have done in the past, nor will I do so again in the future.  It was supposed to be in good humour in the interests of ‘gender equality’, as support for the female judokas, in competition with the girls escorting the male judokas.  In hindsight, it was careless and thoughtless.  Whether people found my behaviour funny and appropriate or confronting and embarrassing, at no time did I intend to be offensive. Unfortunately I allowed myself to be influenced and cheered on by others to act out of character and at no point was I thinking of those who may be offended.  I did not consider the feelings of the wider judo community, people in the seating above the arena, nor did I consider the negative impact that such vision would have when taken out of context on social media, and for this I apologise.

    I have endured the most distressing time in my 33 year Judo involvement over an error of judgement that has resulted in an extremely hurtful and damaging social media campaign affecting myself, my family and the JFA board.  Callously, someone also found it necessary to forward the YouTube clip to my employer.  The video circulated on social media does not represent the spirit of the evening, the true nature of judo in Australia or my standard behaviour but simply an error of judgement and regret.

    I am truly sorry for the hurt I may have caused you on the night.


    Regards



    Mark Callaway


       So thirty days after the event, 160 posts in to the subject and you come up with this as your apology? Shocked Shocked
    Do you have any other psots or statements made on the subject?  This is a very small forum with less than 500 members including your self and you chose us for your statement. Surprised Surprised 
      Well thank you for posting hopefully when this all blows over you can join us for some more chating on other judo subjects.
                 J.R.Smile Smile 
    Perhaps we missed something - it looks like Kuchisai reposted Mr. Callaway's apologia, Mr. Callaway himself did not post.  No indication of where that was originally sent.

    But it does seem silly - someone prancing around like that is not 'acting out of character', he seemed really comfortable prancing around, distracting attention from his own player.  Perhaps he should give up judo for cabaret.  

    The 'gender equality' canard seems laughable to me.  Perhaps there was a bit too much fun at the dinner beforehand.  drunken 

    I'm still looking for video of the lady escorts, but I hardly think they'd be cavorting around like that, particularly during the match.  I imagine him in a clown suit and it is hardly less distracting.  jocolor 

    NBK

    Mr. Natural, you are just jealous.  Though you might be ruggedly handsome to some ... especially to the exceptionally lovely Mrs. NBK ... you are not going to be dancing around in a T-back any time soon unless ... as we used to say in old style Arizona mountain Spanish "no lunas de noche."



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    Re: Australian Nationals - Curious sights!

    Post by NBK on Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:13 pm

    Look, just because you lost a couple of kilos and I found a couple, doesn't reduce my massive (sic!) sex appeal from certain angles.

    Some people think I look fine in a thong:

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    Re: Australian Nationals - Curious sights!

    Post by Kiichisai on Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:03 am

    I am not happy that judorat has associated me with Mr Underpants, he clearly did not read my post of 8 July. NBK is quite right, of course I reposted after I got hold of the letter and the policy, both of which have just started to circulate. I posted it because this forum was a part of the momentum against the stupidity that went on at the JFA Open and I felt you should be kept up to date. You will note that the "Policy" is still not available on the JFA Website. I do not want my sources to dry up, but Mr Underpants is certainly not one of them.

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    Re: Australian Nationals - Curious sights!

    Post by Kiichisai on Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:58 am

    Amazing. Half an hour after posting here that the JFA Social Media Policy was still not on the JFA website, it has appeared !
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    Re: Australian Nationals - Curious sights!

    Post by judoratt on Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:35 am

    Kiichisai wrote:I am not happy that judorat has associated me with Mr Underpants, he clearly did not read my post of 8 July.  NBK is quite right, of course I reposted after I got hold of the letter and the policy, both of which have just started to circulate.   I posted it because this forum was a part of the momentum against the stupidity that went on at the JFA Open and I felt you should be kept up to date.  You will note that the "Policy" is still not available on the JFA Website.   I do not want my sources to dry up, but Mr Underpants is certainly not one of them.

    my apologies for taking your post out of context. I was confused that Mr. Callaway was posting here. It was a pitiful excuse. And also thanks again for your postings. Smile 
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    Re: Australian Nationals - Curious sights!

    Post by NBK on Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:13 am

    I find it pretty amazing that they respond with a social media policy that was apparently promulgated after the fact.  Where was the Board or the Committee of Management before?

    This probably should probably not be a witch hunt but rather might be a chance for a minority to make a point to several levels of management at JFA.  

    The JFA Code of Conduct https://assets.imgstg.com/assets/console/document/documents/JFA%20Code%20of%20Conduct.pdf
    address the responsibilities of the Board:

    "2. The Primary Role of the Board and Directors (Committee of Management – CoM)
    The primary function of the CoM (in accordance with the JFA Constitution) is to manage the
    business of JFA. 'The Board is ultimately accountable for the performance of the
    organisation’ (p8 ASC – Governing Sport – the role of the Board, 2005).'

    ..........

    6. Organisational Risk Responsibilities
    Risk management is the means by which the CoM and management ensure that the risks faced do
    not result in significant loss or harm to the organisation.

    Risk is an inevitable and unavoidable component in organisational growth and development,
    providing both opportunities and potential threats to the health of the organisation.

    CoM members should have a broad appreciation of the risks facing the organisation and the
    likelihood of occurrence together with the potential impact of these should they occur.

    The CoM will ensure that a risk management plan for the organisation is developed, implemented-
    and monitored.
    The risk management plan will include as a minimum, identification, assessment and a plan of
    action for risks in the following areas:
    ─ financial
    ─ human resources
    ─ reputation
    ─ client/athlete/coach/officials/volunteers harm (member protection)
    ─ governance
    ─ technology
    ─ stakeholder relations
    ─ occupational health and safety
    ─ harm or loss of physical assets

    ********
    8. Stakeholder Responsibility

    Stakeholders are those groups and individuals who benefit in some material way from the
    existence of the organisation.

    CoM members will operate on the principle that the information and wisdom of stakeholders in
    and around the organisation is a valuable commodity which CoM members need to appreciate
    and use.

    CoM members acknowledge that there are three key groups of stakeholders:

    ─ Stakeholders who are legal owners – ie members as identified in the constitution;

    ─ Stakeholders who are moral owners – ie those people for whom the organisation exists
    but who cannot exercise the same rights as members. This may include athletes, coaches,
    officials and others involved with, or with an interest in, the sport;

    ─ Stakeholders with whom the organisation has a business relationship – ie those
    individuals, companies or entities with whom the organisation establishes a contractual
    relationship. ......

    *************

    9. Moral Responsibilities

    CoM members, as trustees of the organisation, have a moral duty to the sport. This involves
    presenting their organisation and the sport it represents in a positive and ethical manner.


    The CoM has a moral obligation to consider matters on the basis of equity and transparency and
    in the interests of the sport as a whole and not in preference to any one or more classes of
    stakeholder.

    Specifically:

    (a) CoM members are required to exercise a reasonable degree of care and diligence in the
    exercise of their powers and discharge of their duties. In addition, they are expected to
    exhibit honesty, loyalty and candour in their relationships with JFA and with each
    other.

    (b) A CoM member has an obligation to be independent in judgement and actions and
    take all reasonable steps to be satisfied as to the soundness of all decisions taken by the
    board.

    (c) CoM members are required to observe and comply with the relevant laws of the
    Commonwealth of Australia and each if its State and Territories (where applicable)
    and, whilst travelling elsewhere in the performance of their functions of office, the relevant
    laws of the country in which they are travelling.

    (d) CoM members have a duty to behave in such a manner that they do not bring JFA’s
    or the sport of judo in Australia’s reputation into disrepute. This duty involves
    adherence to JFA’s own Complaints Tribunal requirements for good conduct and
    the Australian Sports Commission Codes for Good Sportsmanship for players,
    coaches, parents and spectators.

    *************
    The solution may lie in the Compliants Tribunal:
    https://assets.imgstg.com/assets/console/document/documents/JFA%20By%20Laws.pdf

    14. COMPLAINTS TRIBUNAL
    The Tribunal shall, in conformity with any rules of procedure that may be
    prescribed in these By-laws, be responsible for investigating all matters provided
    for in clause 13 of the constitution and 14.1 of these By-laws and hearing and
    adjudicating upon all appeals against the decisions of the management committee
    of a member organisation or officials thereof.


    The Tribunal shall act according to equity and good conscience without regard to
    technicalities or legal forms and is not bound by the rules of evidence but may
    inform itself on any matter as it sees fit.
    14.1. Matters which may be referred for determination by the Complaints Tribunal.
    14.1.1. An allegation (not being vexatious, trifling, frivolous or a member
    protection matter) by a complainant that a member organisation, an
    officer of the Federation, an affiliate, individual member, life
    member or any other person has:
    a) Breached, failed, refused or neglected to comply with a provision
    of the Constitution, the By-laws or any resolution or
    determination of the Board or entity exercising delegated
    authority;

    b) Acted in a manner unbecoming a member organisation or
    prejudicial to the objects and interests of the Federation and/or
    Judo; or

    c) Brought the Federation or Judo into disrepute.

    *******

    So, the Board or the Committee of Management punished Mr. Underpants, but whoever made the decisions to engage the specific entertainment that seems to have folks upset, seemingly bringing the 'Federation or Judo into disrepute' have not been disciplined.  Also, who on the site allowed Mr. Underpants to carry on like that for 3-5min?  He should have been disciplined on the spot for simply prancing about half naked, much less roaming the edges of the competition area.  That official failed his responsibility, too.  

    It seems that someone, either the CoM or someone accountable to the CoM, failed to take into account adequately risk and stakeholder relations.  The risk was to reputation, which all are specifically enjoined to take into account.  The stakeholder relations issue comes up when the entertainment and lots of alcohol was offensive to a number of primary and secondary stakeholders.  

    Note that the Federation recognizes three classes of stockholders: legal owners (i.e., members), moral owners (e.g., associated people like coaches, families, etc.), and business partners, importance in that sequence.  

    So, if you can organize some 'legal owners' and 'moral owners' to make a formal complaint, according to the bylaws etc, you must get their attention.  The charges might be failing to recognize the risk involved in risqué entertainment, alcohol at a public family event, bringing the sport and Federation into disrepute, etc.  

    The decision of the Board or CoM was to punish Mr Underwear and call it over; that decision could seemingly be challenged through the Compliants Tribunal to make the point that the entire situation should never have been allowed to happen, was handled incorrectly on the spot, and the cover-up and social media policy both inadequate responses.  

    If they fail to adhere to their own by-laws and code of conduct then I'm sure there is another legal recourse if someone has the time and money to pursue.    

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    Re: Australian Nationals - Curious sights!

    Post by Andre_Mikalov on Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:38 pm

    Me think Aussie Bosses not likely to punish themselves.........
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    Re: Australian Nationals - Curious sights!

    Post by BillC on Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:49 am

    NBK wrote:
    8. Stakeholder Responsibility ...

    ... Stakeholders are those groups and individuals who benefit in some material way from the
    existence of the organisation ...


    "Stakeholder" is a business fuzzword that people started using 20 years ago that we as (arguably) speakers of the English (shudder) language presumably understood. Problem is, we didn't. It was just a term that the cool kids on mahogany row used to pretend they were in the know on something the rest of us weren't. So a lot of time and effort was wasted in defining the term ... meanwhile the Chinese are (noisily) eating our lunch while we slouch through stakeholder's meetings, eat donuts and get fat.

    "Stakeholder" actually sounds like the poor guy that holds down the vampire so his buddy can hammer a piece of wood into its chest. Hmmm ... isn't that what osaekomiwaza is all about? We've been stakeholders for years and didn't even know it.


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    Re: Australian Nationals - Curious sights!

    Post by Steve Leadbeater on Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:30 am

    I guess that means the "stakeholders" are really those who run the JFA, because they seem to benefit more than most from our resources.
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    Re: Australian Nationals - Curious sights!

    Post by AussieJudoka on Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:30 pm

    Should be hearing from the ASC any day now.
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    Re: Australian Nationals - Curious sights!

    Post by Judo Dad on Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:52 am

    Below is the response I received today from a Mr Peter Minchin of the ASC regarding the organisation and running of the Australian Women's Open Event, Wollongong 2013:

    The ASC considers that the matter has been appropriately dealt with by the Board of the JFA. Should you have any further questions regarding this incident I would encourage you to contact the Judo Federation of Australia.

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    Re: Australian Nationals - Curious sights!

    Post by Judo Dad on Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:27 pm

    Further correspondence from Mr Peter Minchin of the ASC indicates:

    The ASC is still monitoring the progress of a JFA review of the incident and have given the JFA until 30th September to report to the ASC the outcomes of their review and their intended actions.

    In my previous post, the quote I supplied apparently referred only to action taken by the JFA involving Mr Callaway. Mr Minchin has provided his  assurance that the ASC is aware of broader behavioural concerns and is continuing to monitor the JFA’s response.

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    Re: Australian Nationals - Curious sights!

    Post by NBK on Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:24 pm

    Interesting.

    So now is the time to make a formal complaint so that the remedial action plan doesn't miss any concerns. No one will want to open this can of worms again after the ordered 30 Sep report.

    I for one expect more equality - like topless women in thongs. Lead Beater can stay fully clothed What a Face 

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    Re: Australian Nationals - Curious sights!

    Post by BillC on Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:36 pm

    NBK wrote:

    I for one expect more equality - like topless women in thongs.


    Don't force me to search the internet for pictures of female sumo wrestlers, Mr. Natural. Not that there is anything wrong with it ... like my Uncle Jack used to say ... "Warmth in the winter, shade in the summer. Just like cars, some are built for comfort, some are built for speed." Those folks from the Corn Belt, they have a lot of common sense.


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    Re: Australian Nationals - Curious sights!

    Post by Steve Leadbeater on Thu Jul 25, 2013 1:54 am

    NBK wrote:Interesting.


    I for one expect more equality - like topless women in thongs. Leadbeater can stay fully clothed What a Face 

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    You Sir, will be served COLD Sake for those words !!
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    How come this topic was moved?

    Post by AussieJudoka on Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:20 pm

    How come this topic was moved?

    Was pressure put on the forum to hide discussion on this topic?

    Now is the time to contact the ASC if you want to make your feelings known about the running of the JFA Australian Women's Open Championships. Contact Peter.Minchin@ausport.gov.au

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