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    Re: Australian Nationals - Curious sights!

    Post by Ricebale on Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:15 pm

    The big letters on the mat say "Wollongong"

    Dammit like my home town doesn't already have a reputation lol
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    Re: Australian Nationals - Curious sights!

    Post by NBK on Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:15 pm

    So, is this gent a refugee from professional wrestling?  There's not much wrong with attractive young women properly attired for a family venue, but this is simply over the top.

    The next time the S-city Judo Federation guys look at me askance for showing up at their shiai _without a tie_ but still in sports jacket and slacks, maybe I'll show them this and ask if they'd prefer if I show up in a Speedo.
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    Re: Australian Nationals - Curious sights!

    Post by Judo Dad on Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:51 pm

    "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke

    The organisers and officials allowed Wedgieman and the drunken announcer to continue throughout what was the 2013 Australian Womens Open Judo event. They are responsible for organising scantily clad female escorts, alcohol and tables adjoining the mat area.The honorable thing would be for the organisers to apologise and resign. Perhaps then Australian Judo could get back to the aims and objectives espoused by the founder.


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    Re: Australian Nationals - Curious sights!

    Post by Steve Leadbeater on Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:07 am

    Traditionally, the Honourable thing to do would be to perform Seppuku.

    I am certain we could find some who would happily offer to be Kaishakunin  !!

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    Sack any and all people who had any knowledge of this beforehand.

    Post by Andre_Mikalov on Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:48 pm

    Steve spot on. The Aussie Judo people maybe need new people in charge if they make this Dinner thing, and think this joke thing funny and ok.

    Maybe they should be resigned for the boxer "show girl" thing anyway. I wonder what Mr Kano think if he alive and see his Judo like this?

    Was that your political man Mr Abbott in the "budgie pants" things?


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    Re: Australian Nationals - Curious sights!

    Post by aussieJudo on Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:00 pm

    I would like to thank every one for their support and comments here on E-Judo  on FB and on my John Judo youtube account. As you can understand, I have posted this video to youtube so that the JFA would not sweep it under the rug and deny it happened. I have done this with out making my personal details know just in case they decide to take action for re posting this video after the original owner had taken it down. Thankfully I kept a copy just in case the JFA asked to have it removed  believing that it needs to been seen and something positive done to change the prevailing attitude that exists with in the board of management of the JFA . Again thanks for the support and comments. I hope in the near future something positive comes out of this.
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    Post by Judo Dad on Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:08 pm

    Has there been an official response from the JFA?


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    Post by Andre_Mikalov on Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:53 pm

    Maybe they say "it being investigated. Can not say anything until investigation is complete". 6 months later, same story.  Rolling Eyes

    Look on the JFA website. No statement. Staff on holidays from today (good timing). Website say contact person for JFA is Secretary Stewart Brain. Smart man if he go on holiday too. Razz
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    Re: Australian Nationals - Curious sights!

    Post by AussieJudoka on Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:18 pm

    I think Andre Mikalov knows how things usually work but outside intervention may yet upset their plans.

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    Post by Andre_Mikalov on Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:54 pm

    Outside intervention? Now that work for sure!! But hope they get all right guys? Shocked

    Maybe they find other things too? Very Happy

    And more "right" guys go with the other ones. Very Happy

    Out go all old. In come new. Razz

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    Re: Australian Nationals - Curious sights!

    Post by aussieJudo on Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:50 am

    There has not been any official response from the JFA  just silence.

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    Post by Kiichisai on Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:52 am

    Andre_Mikalov wrote:Outside intervention? Now that work for sure!! But hope they get all right guys? Shocked

    Maybe they find other things too? Very Happy

    And more "right" guys go with the other ones. Very Happy

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    Outside Intervention?  Who by ??
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    Post by Steve Leadbeater on Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:05 am

    No doubt there are "many" others who have copies of the Video.....

    to be used "when the time is right"

    This should not be swept under the carpet, people must answer for their misdeeds.

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    Post by Kiichisai on Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:07 am

    Lets get some facts on record.  Mark Calaway, from ACT, is a member of the National Referee Commission and the video only shows a short selection of his "act".  The bulk of people protesting seem to be referees, many of whom dislike the caberet approach to the Australian Open Championships and boycotted the night.  This has been stewing for 2 years now.  If action is to be taken against the JFA directors, it has to come from the State associations.

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    Post by Andre_Mikalov on Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:09 am

    Mr AussieJudoka think maybe outside intervention. I say good. Who outside, don't know. But looks not good and many people around world see this and not happy too. Looks like somebody get in trouble.

    You know much Mr Kiichisai. But I think you say no all. You say referee is the problem? Referee's make this problem by not being at this place? But Mr underpants is Referee and he seem to be problem. I don't understand?

    Ok, so if they all be the problem, maybe they all go too. :)No referee. No JFA Director. No underpants............... But judo stay cyclops


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    Re: Australian Nationals - Curious sights!

    Post by BillC on Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:24 am

    Who would think ... on this forum and its immediate predecessor from which it was cloned ... that some of the most controversial and heavily discussed topics would be on the subject of ...



    UNDERPANTS!



    I mean ... they are not even part of the items to be worn while practicing judo.  Does that strike anyone else as being odd?



    (let's see if this image gets pulled by the moderators this time around ...)


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    Re: Australian Nationals - Curious sights!

    Post by Andre_Mikalov on Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:13 am

    You no wear underpants at judo??!!! That dangerous when you get thrown!!??  Shocked

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    Post by ilikemilk on Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:30 am

    I saw a email from Mathew Hill after this 'event' i will paste a small section of the mail below (the rest was about the nationals in general which i am happy to post if someone wants it)

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    My opinion of the events of Sunday night were that there was nothing that happened at the dinner or during the Open Weight competition that was not appropriate for the setting. For those people who have been trying to suggest that there is no time or place for a man in his underwear than I would advise you not to attend a beach, pool or live taping of the footy show, NRL or AFL anytime soon. The attempts at comedy entertainment during the evening may not have been as sophisticated as some might want but we are strictly amateur, unscripted and unable to please all the people all the time.
     
    The Open Weight competition was not ever supposed to be comparable to the seriousness of the finals of each individual weight category. The changes to the time limit (4 min) and allowance of a warning for leg grabs should have made this clear. In previous years the Open has been subjected to entries from whoever is willing to stay around at the end of the tournament and has had a number of years without even being run. We were able to showcase the strong history of Australian judo that is still interested in attending the Nationals with the Parade of Champions and had a fantastic debut from Aris from Victoria who proved himself to be a quality judoka with a big future and an entertaining individual.
     
    I am sure you all have your opinion of the night, some in agreement with me and some not. I would suggest that you take the evening in the spirit that it was intended, a night to have fun, and then if you still think that certain things were not done as you would like please let me know. If you do think that this was a great night and extremely enjoyable then please get out there and let it be known before there are any repercussions for individuals that are not supported by the wider judo community. 


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    I have several thought about that first being

    WTF.
     
    My opinion of the events of Sunday night were that there was nothing that happened at the dinner or during the Open Weight competition that was not appropriate for the setting. **********if it was at the football, cricket, golf etc that person would be arrested fined and banned.
    For those people who have been trying to suggest that there is no time or place for a man in his underwear than I would advise you not to attend a beach, pool or live taping of the footy show, NRL or AFL anytime soon. ******* it is socially not accepted for a man or woman to walk around let alone parade around in their underwear, especially in a public place, let alone at a sporting where there are children, adults and sponsors.
    The attempts at comedy entertainment during the evening may not have been as sophisticated as some might want but we are strictly amateur, unscripted and unable to please all the people all the time. ********** you have sponsors there, a national event should be the competition any kid aspires to be in for the ‘best judoka in Australia’, i think that should be the most respected or budo like comp (i dont find this acceptable at a local amateur comp either)
     The Open Weight competition was not ever supposed to be comparable to the seriousness of the finals of each individual weight category. ******* why not? Why is the value less? It has a large perpetual trophies that divisions dont, it is now a cash prize to the winner that divisions dont, it is a true best player wins as it is a open vs best with in these weights so actually a harder division to win in my mind, if the division finals are more important why is it that you have a full layout with tables, prizes, sponsors were you dont for divisions?
     
    "Mutual Welfare and Benefit."-- Jigoro Kano        - I dont think public exposure is contributing value to the world of judo, or the sports reputation either. It doent support one of the key ideas that Jigoro Kano had for the sport.
     
    This behavior would not be acceptable at another competition say commonwealth games, Olympics, football, golf, crickets or even a local little tiny football game, it would offend people there as well.
     

    I feel there should be repercussions and would be disappointed if there was not.

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    Post by Kiichisai on Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:11 pm

    First, Andre Mikalov.  I did not say the referees were the problem.  I tried to say the referees were strongly AGAINST the actions of the night.

    Second: The Matt Hill apologia was sent out as part of a continuing series of "information" letters about the "volunteers dinner" and the open prize-fight.  I consider it was out of place in that context.  Mr Hill has obviously put a lot of work into what could have been an excellent showcase for judo, but seems to have gone wrong!  The prize-fight boxing/pro-wrestling/MMA atmosphere is NOT for judo.  An exciting event, showcasing judo, can be done with dignity and a recognition of the ethics of judo.

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    Post by Andre_Mikalov on Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:27 pm

    Kiichisai wrote:First, Andre Mikalov.  I did not say the referees were the problem.  I tried to say the referees were strongly AGAINST the actions of the night.


    I now more confused Mr Kiichisai. You say now referees  not the problem?  And now you say referees AGAINST the actions of the night? MANY people against the actions of the night and not only referees. It look like many people angry and not happy with the night, all round world. So maybe referees not so bad at all. They the smart ones to not have do anything with this thing. Maybe you keep referees and get rid of all else who make this night.

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    Post by Andre_Mikalov on Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:35 pm

    Kiichisai wrote:Second: The Matt Hill apologia was sent out as part of a continuing series of "information" letters about the "volunteers dinner" and the open prize-fight.  I consider it was out of place in that context.  Mr Hill has obviously put a lot of work into what could have been an excellent showcase for judo, but seems to have gone wrong!  The prize-fight boxing/pro-wrestling/MMA atmosphere is NOT for judo.  An exciting event, showcasing judo, can be done with dignity and a recognition of the ethics of judo.



    Thank you for answer Mr Kiichisai. Mr Hill, he the organiser?   What "apologia"? Letter seem no saying sorry to me. He go wrong alright! No good showcase for Judo. Not good Judo at all.

    Hey, what wrong with MMA? I like MMA very much. Better than this joke underpants thing. You have great Judo player in MMA called Rhonda Rousey. She a very good showcase for Judo in MMA. And she no get good showcase because she wear only underpants up her behind.

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    Post by Kiichisai on Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:41 pm

    I wrote apologia NOT apology.  They are NOT the same thing.
    I am glad MMA remains dignified.
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    Re: Australian Nationals - Curious sights!

    Post by Jonesy on Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:44 pm

    IJF RULES FOR COACHES:

    If you want to sit in the chair, you need to read the IJF rules. In general: 1. Coaches are required to dress professionally; team sweats or polo shirt in the eliminations; jacket & tie for the semi-finals and finals at the national and international levels. 2. Stay in the chair. 3. No coaching during play, only during the "mate!" periods. 4. No food or drinks. 5. No video cameras. 6. No coaching the referee.
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    Re: Australian Nationals - Curious sights!

    Post by Ricebale on Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:19 pm

    Yep, that's why my original comment was I'd dq the player assiciated with the corner for starters if I was the ref.

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    Re: Australian Nationals - Curious sights!

    Post by Ashi Waza on Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:34 pm

    I would just like to say that I spent 4 full days at the comp and thought that it was one of the best tournaments seen yet in Australia. It was extremely well run with the utmost respect shown by all participants, officials and referees.

    The Open Mens/Womens competition was held on the final evening. I did not attend and have not spoken to anyone who attended.  It is a shame that a monumental lapse of judgement by a small group of people has tarnished what was an otherwise superb family friendly event.

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